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Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 8 - Totally exonerated bigly. (Cont in part 9)
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perjury and one of obstruction of justice
Has nothing to do with Trump. Again, moving the goalposts. Clinton never had a political party doing everything they possibly could to throw him under a bus.
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Clinton was never convicted of anything is the point. Before pushing this point, you need to understand impeachment does not require guilt to be proven.
Clinton was impeached by the Repubs, so I don't know why you're pushing the Trump is a victim line.
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How very condescending. It was a nice little confirmation of Fox's bias. We all know what they're like, but it's good to be reminded now and then. Hypocrites at their worst/best.
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My take-away isn't that Trump is innocent or that the DNC and Hillary revealed they are more despicable than Trump
My take-away is the sheer gullibility of so many here and the public at large. The daily exaggerations and fabrications by the media swallowed whole, unexamined without question, spears, swords and sabres thrown violently at anyone who may have questioned a single unsubstantiated fabricated phrase.
My take-away is remembering Chief for two years sanctioning and beiittling anyone who doubted the mainstream media. The accusations that anyone who questioned was a Russina bot. Even after Barr revealed Mueller's conclusions, many still believed the full report would reveal some smoking gun. And even today after the release of the full report, many can't let go, they can't admit their gullibility and the bloody mindedness of the mainstream media, they continue to harp on Trump's failings - as if that justifies anything and everything.
This conclusion to the Mueller investigatio leads inexorably to the question of whether anything we are told is true. The same exaggerations and falsifications are self evident in the Assange matter.
Surely, no thinking human can any longer accept the prevailing narratives on Venezuela, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, North Korea, NATO, Climate Change, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Refugees or 9/11. In fact, the sensible conclusion can only be to begin to examine these stories from the very opposite perspective provided to us.
I am reminded of the machinations in the movie series "The Hunger Games". Where, the government continuously manages and interferes with the story and its reporting. Everything is dramatised to provide a self serving emotive theatre. In essence, there is no getting at the truth because the truth, the events themselves are manipulated to sustain a script.
So rather, than exiling Procrastinato35 to the conspiracy boards, it is surely evident now that all of these mainstream journalists and their articles have no more credibility than stories concerning alien abduction or crop circles. P35s may have seemed to us far too extreme but in the wash out of this Mueller report, P35s perceptions have been shown to be far more intuitive than we may have liked to believe.
What must really gnaw at the obsessed Trump hater's is how after 2-3 years - it is they who have some how ended up in the nutter camp, amongst the deluded, the fantasists. Their self belief in their own superiority so totally disembowelled - there is at least a kind of poetry in this.
My take-away is the sheer gullibility of so many here and the public at large. The daily exaggerations and fabrications by the media swallowed whole, unexamined without question, spears, swords and sabres thrown violently at anyone who may have questioned a single unsubstantiated fabricated phrase.
My take-away is remembering Chief for two years sanctioning and beiittling anyone who doubted the mainstream media. The accusations that anyone who questioned was a Russina bot. Even after Barr revealed Mueller's conclusions, many still believed the full report would reveal some smoking gun. And even today after the release of the full report, many can't let go, they can't admit their gullibility and the bloody mindedness of the mainstream media, they continue to harp on Trump's failings - as if that justifies anything and everything.
This conclusion to the Mueller investigatio leads inexorably to the question of whether anything we are told is true. The same exaggerations and falsifications are self evident in the Assange matter.
Surely, no thinking human can any longer accept the prevailing narratives on Venezuela, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, North Korea, NATO, Climate Change, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Refugees or 9/11. In fact, the sensible conclusion can only be to begin to examine these stories from the very opposite perspective provided to us.
I am reminded of the machinations in the movie series "The Hunger Games". Where, the government continuously manages and interferes with the story and its reporting. Everything is dramatised to provide a self serving emotive theatre. In essence, there is no getting at the truth because the truth, the events themselves are manipulated to sustain a script.
So rather, than exiling Procrastinato35 to the conspiracy boards, it is surely evident now that all of these mainstream journalists and their articles have no more credibility than stories concerning alien abduction or crop circles. P35s may have seemed to us far too extreme but in the wash out of this Mueller report, P35s perceptions have been shown to be far more intuitive than we may have liked to believe.
What must really gnaw at the obsessed Trump hater's is how after 2-3 years - it is they who have some how ended up in the nutter camp, amongst the deluded, the fantasists. Their self belief in their own superiority so totally disembowelled - there is at least a kind of poetry in this.
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He wasn't exonerated. His ethical breaches were made clear. The prosecutor didn't have enough to charge him.
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Yes! of course
Just keep that door tightly shut.
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The report you're using for your extended commentary is the same report that lays out his ethical breaches.
The prosecutor makes these clear, and also says he didn't have enough to charge him. Didn't exonerate him.
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Of course! No one is found innocent in an investigation - that is not how investigations work. But what is really damning here is that on the key question: did Trump or someone in his campaign actively work with the Russians to undermine the 2016 presidential election - which by any honest assessment was a crazy basis for an investigation - the report is actually as close to an exoneration as one could ask for.
Sadly, you are appear to be trapped within the assumption. But there was never a way to prove any of this. Its a *en empire. Everyone in the whole world is trying to influence Washington. It requires a level of naivety I can't even imagine to become the vicitim of this kind of blatant partisan political speculation.
And even now, you find merit in it - when it ended the only way it possibly could. Whether you realise it or not, your reaction to this has been stage managed.
The show is over - time to leave the theatre.
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Mueller accepted the OLC opinion of not indicting a sitting president. Mueller laid out the numerous attempts to obstruct justice. With respect to obstruction of justice, Mueller did not not "have enough to charge him". Mueller passed on the judgement of criminal prosecution to Congress. An important distinction.
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What nobody cares about is the FAKE NEWS narrative that has been working against the POTUS since and before day dot! All the MSM reports are just more 'Boy Who Cried Wolf'!
The report is a funny read
Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign — deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.
Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.
Only innocent people destroy evidence
Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign — deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.
Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.
Only innocent people destroy evidence
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No it only one echo chamber and the other is the voice of reason. The communist Left don't care about borders which renders it the voice of treason.
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trump just keeps on winning.. afterall those two years of Msm media banging on about collision this collision that.
Then it’s all false and a lie.. wow how do they even get away with this. People need to be held accountable for spreading untruths.
Then it’s all false and a lie.. wow how do they even get away with this. People need to be held accountable for spreading untruths.
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Exactly. As Trump tweeted last month:
"So funny that The New York Times & The Washington Post got a Pulitzer Prize for their coverage (100% NEGATIVE and FAKE!) of Collusion with Russia – And there was No Collusion! So, they were either duped or corrupt? In any event, their prizes should be taken away by the Committee!"
So not only did they spread fake news...they got awarded and encouraged for it. Like Jobe Watson they should be forced to give the Pulitzer's back - at a minimum!
Only if he hands back his fake time magazine man of the year framed copies
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NEVER!!!!
That’s why the Chinese spy was on premises - to steal that highly prized fake relic
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Is not mentioned and the money Torshin pumped into the Election.
Trump has been proven of telling people to lie on his behalf that's a fact.
Is not mentioned and the money Torshin pumped into the Election.
Trump has been proven of telling people to lie on his behalf that's a fact.
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Oh come on!
Of all the proven lies from all sides you still focus on the ones which might just somehow justify your descent down the rabbit hole to wonderland?
You’ve beaten that horse past death, past carcass, past even pulp - what remains is diarrhea.
And you are splashing it all over yourself.
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Oh so why is Maria in jail awaiting a trial?
Why and how did the NRA spend what is it 30 million dollars,But spent hardly nothing during the midterm elections?
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Virtue signalling. Virtue signalling everywhere.
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