All things Politics

[DinoSoar]

It is recognised that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have connections to either side of the conflict. What you need to understand is that this site has rules governing posting standards and the appropriate way to talk to other posters, and you will abide by them.

How this interacts with this thread is that the following will result in your post being deleted, with a recurrence of the same behaviour resulting in (depending on severity) a threadban for a week and a day off:

• direct labelling of someone as anti-semitic or a terrorist sympathiser for posting that is merely critical of Israel's response over time. Israel has the right to defend themselves from violence, but that does not mean that Israel has carte blanche to attack disproportionately towards people under their care.
• deliberate goading or flippant responses, designed to get people reacting to your posting emotionally.
• abuse.
• attempts to turn this into a Left vs Right shitfight.
• Use the word 'Nazi' in here, you had better be able to justify it in the post you're making and the comparison had better be apt. Godwin's law is in full effect for the purposes of this thread; if you refer to Nazis, you've lost whatever argument you're involved in.
• Any defense of Hamas' actions on the basis of justification. There's no justification for genocide, regardless of whether or not they have the power to do so.

Please recognise that this is a difficult time for all involved, and some level of sensitivity is absolutely required to permit discussion to flow. From time to time, mods will reach out to specific posters and do some welfare checks; we may even give posters who get a bit too involved some days off to give people some time to cool down. This is not a reflection on you as a poster, merely that this is an intense subject.

I get that this is a fairly intense topic about which opinion can diverge rather significantly. If you feel you cannot be respectful in your disagreement with another poster, it is frequently better to refuse to engage than it is to take up the call.

From this point, any poster who finds themselves directly insulting another poster will find themselves receiving a threadban and an infraction, with each subsequent reoccurance resulting in steadily more points added to your account.

It has also become apparent that this needs to be said: just because someone moderates this forum that does not hold them to a different standard of posting than anyone else. All of us were posters first, and we are allowed to hold opinions on this and share them on this forum.

Treat each other with the respect each of you deserve.

Maggie5 Gone Critical Anzacday Jen2310

 

[TradeDraft]

Guess Aussies Happy with Rich get Richer and Poor getting Poorer with Election Result

 

[Black_White]

Bank shares up, because there won’t be as much regulation/oversight now.
Medibank shares up because there won’t be the promised contribution cap.
The big end of town smoking cigars and laughing about the “living wage” falling by the wayside.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Oh look, just 2 days into this term and already a broken promise

Welcome to the next 3 years suckers

 

[JB1975]

Oh look, just 2 days into this term and already a broken promise

Welcome to the next 3 years suckers

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I'd be happy if they broke that promise altogether, if they used the cash to insulate health and education spending in the event of economic downturn.

Tony Abbott has been flung from parliament. Arthur Sinodinos suggested that this, along with the legitimacy of winning an election in his own right, will allow Morrison to move into the centre on issues like climate change. Here's hoping...

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I love a timid country
A land of scare campaigns
Where mindless bogan slogans
Just overtake our brains
The stunted, short horizons
Of those who will not see
Who, presented with alternatives
Think only: me, me, me.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Business before election, fearing Labor win: "Look, yeah we need to talk about climate and lifting wages and addressing community concerns about big business"

Business after surprise Coalition win: "Yeah! screw workers, let's cut wages and deregulate the IR system. And what climate?"

 

[Maggie5]

I love a timid country
A land of scare campaigns
Where mindless bogan slogans
Just overtake our brains
The stunted, short horizons
Of those who will not see
Who, presented with alternatives
Think only: me, me, me.

Did you post on main board? Some clever people out there with time on their hands.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Did you post on main board? Some clever people out there with time on their hands.

No M5, I stole it from Twitter

 

[Black_White]

Woo hoo..
$2:76 per vote.
We really are suckers aren’t we.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05...mer-greens-election-taxpayer-funding/11131196

 

[magpie_marty]

Well if you can keep up with USA politics you all deserve a medal.

 

[danielnajdek]

Clive Palmer seeks approval for 'monster mine' next door to Adani

Clive Palmer has sought federal environmental approval for a huge greenfield coal mine in central Queensland, which documents suggest could produce 33 per cent more coal than Adani's controversial and delayed Carmichael mine.

I have a friend on FB who's from Queensland. He is so happy with how Queenslanders voted. I don't know what the * is wrong with them up north. Has to be the weather. When you have Katter,Palmer and Hanson up there you have serious problems.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I'll just leave this here:

 

[JB1975]

I'll just leave this here:


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Does all this mean to suggest that the re-election of Morrison was a triumph of principle over blatant self-interest?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Does all this mean to suggest that the re-election of Morrison was a triumph of principle over blatant self-interest?

I guess the re-election of Morrison will mean different things to different people

Just as it appears it means different things to you and me

As an aside what do you perceive Morrison's Principles to be, because he never espoused them during the campaign?
Where do I find them?
I'd think they would be interesting to read

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[JB1975]

I guess the re-election of Morrison will mean different things to different people

There are indeed many different meanings to the re-election of the government, no doubt about that, and Labor's job now is to sift through them and to work out how to respond to them.

As an aside what do you perceive Morrison's Principles to be, because he never espoused them during the campaign?
Where do I find them?

Morrison is a social conservative and an economic liberal. This seems like an uncontroversial observation to me, although it is complicated by the fact that he seems to have positioned himself from time to time as more moderate than some of his Liberal colleagues (e.g. Abbott and Dutton).

As to whether he espoused them during the campaign, I wonder whether election campaigns really provide an opportune moment to unfurl your principles or to establish a connection with the people. To some extent, I think that Morrison was content to rely upon whatever profile he'd already established before he called the election, and then to use the campaign to sell tax cuts and to tear shreds from Labor's agenda. Crude and effective.

 

[sideswipe]

There are indeed many different meanings to the re-election of the government, no doubt about that, and Labor's job now is to sift through them and to work out how to respond to them.



Morrison is a social conservative and an economic liberal. This seems like an uncontroversial observation to me, although it is complicated by the fact that he seems to have positioned himself from time to time as more moderate than some of his Liberal colleagues (e.g. Abbott and Dutton).

As to whether he espoused them during the campaign, I wonder whether election campaigns really provide an opportune moment to unfurl your principles or to establish a connection with the people. To some extent, I think that Morrison was content to rely upon whatever profile he'd already established before he called the election, and then to use the campaign to sell tax cuts and to tear shreds from Labor's agenda. Crude and effective.

As the great Selina Meyer said only last week, "It's just the party platform. It's like a to-do list of things we're not gonna do." Miss her already.

 

[JB1975]

As the great Selina Meyer said only last week, "It's just the party platform. It's like a to-do list of things we're not gonna do." Miss her already.

Labor's socialisation objective comes to mind: embrace it for its spirit, not as a statement of intent.

I'm afraid to say I had to Google Selina Meyer, had no idea who the origin of your wisdom was. I'll get around to watching that show some day.

 

[sideswipe]

Labor's socialisation objective comes to mind: embrace it for its spirit, not as a statement of intent.

I'm afraid to say I had to Google Selina Meyer, had no idea who the origin of your wisdom was. I'll get around to watching that show some day.

I highly recommend it. Spectacularly good.

 

[Black_White]

I guess the re-election of Morrison will mean different things to different people

Just as it appears it means different things to you and me

As an aside what do you perceive Morrison's Principles to be, because he never espoused them during the campaign?
Where do I find them?
I'd think they would be interesting to read

I find it interesting that 6-10 months from polling day the consensus was that Shorten only had to keep quiet and victory was assured.
Instead, he put forward a huge agenda for change and wealth redistribution.
Morrison kept quiet on policy and simply attacked “the Bill we can’t afford”. Totally flipped how the campaigns should have been run.
Result? As you pointed out in your Facebook repost.
There will be plenty of buyers regret over the next three years.

 

[Anzacday]

Picked a good time to announce it while the public are focussed on Brad Scott's announcement.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/theresa-may-announces-her-resignation-20190524-p51qzo.html

 

[Maggie5]

Picked a good time to announce it while the public are focussed on Brad Scott's announcement.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/theresa-may-announces-her-resignation-20190524-p51qzo.html

Two things amazed me about her.
One that she took on the poisoned chalice to begin with and,
two that she has stuck on for so long.
She was always in a no win situation. I actually feel sorry for her.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Quicky]

As a younger Australian I have found this election really disheartening. There was real apathy about the result. I find it really selfish that the generation that benefitted from free tertiary education swung the election on issues so that they can continue to have more. I've only just managed to pay off my university debt and am struggling to save for a house. I live in a city whose main industry is tourism and that tourism requires a healthy great barrier reef. I think we're staring down the barrel on that one and I worry about the future of this place and what happens when its gone. I'm ashamed that folk up here played their part in swinging the result. So dumb. So short sighted.