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Unfortunately lacks pace and takes the safe lateral option too often, lacks penetration in his kicking too.
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Unfortunately lacks pace and takes the safe lateral option too often, lacks penetration in his kicking too.
jathanas
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I'm luke-warm on Shaz but to be fair to the guy I don't believe that he has been granted enough continuity to showcase his ability to impact games. His lack of pace is undeniable.
sr36
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Lee Walker is the one for me. Whereas the other guys careers may have gone either way, Walker waa a definite star.
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Injuries has sadly cost him a Chance of being at least a Solid AFL Player
jathanas
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For those old enough to have seen the Western Australian's handful of games (5?) for the Pies, there is little doubt he could have been our own Carey*.
* I mean that in a good way.
Lee Walker was the complete CHF. His knee reconstructions didn't seem to rob him of his pace. He was undoubtedly the most talented of all the players we lost to debilitating injury.
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Or Butch Edwards. Still his knees were gone when we got him
Sorry "boys" Lee Walker was a goodun....but Johnny Greening is "undoubtedly the most talented of all the players we lost to debilitating injury."
Probably one of the most talented of all time actually...losing him was like losing Coleman was for Essendon.
I agree. I should have added the word 'chronic'.
The Royal Sampler
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While that’s true, we probably never would have been able to get Walker across in the first place were it not for his injury history.
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If it wasn't for his knees he also would of stayed at west coast...
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Saints had plenty of time to look at him. There’s a reason they cut him despite his body finally getting right. Unlike Scharenberg, he was an athlete, not a footballer.
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A counter argument is that him relying on athleticism makes his injuries more debilitating in that they robbed him of his only weapon. Just gotta like at the halves of Daisy's career to know what a detrimental impact injuries can have on blokes for whom pace is a serious weapon.
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I couldn't argue about Greening because I never got the opportunity to see him, but all the people who did say the same thing i.e. that he was a once a generation talent.
Greening was lost to us through thuggery, not compromised genetics in his physical composition. Yes, technically the blunt trauma he suffered was "injury", but it wasn't his own body letting him down.
That arguably makes his loss more of a tragedy.
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Couldn’t run like a headless chook into trouble anymore, had to find a downfield option and couldn’t do it.
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his body never got “right” though. He lost his pace. I watched Keefe outrun him in a VFL game a few years ago.
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His body was right in the sense that he was playing injury free for an extended period and he made a senior debut. Like Scharenberg, he lost his pace. Unlike Scharenberg, he was unable to compete at the highest level after he lost said pace, because he was a dumb footballer.
The only thing that is extraordinary is the fact that you think Shaz can handle KPF’s. Everything we’ve seen in regards to Shaz on a KPF suggests the opposite, and to me seems to be the glaringly obvious reason why the coaching panel prefers Langdon (among others e.g Howe, Crisp, Maynard) - Versatility.
Its also extraordinary to me that you seem to have such a strong view on Shaz, but seem to have little understanding of him as a player. If you did, you would fully understand why Shaz is not in the 1st team taking KPF’s with Moore shifting to a floating role.
I am interested to see how he goes in 2020, I think with the Langdon issue there is a certain spot for him. We've seen that Bucks like two play 2 pure KPD's like Moore and Roughead, and have two rotating third types, usually in Howe and Langdon, and those four are accompanied by Maynard, Crisp and an Aish/Greenwood/Noble type.
Throughout patches of 2018 and 2019, when Howe and Langdon were out respectively I think we saw some really good signs from Shaz, either dropping of as the spare interceptor or rotating onto the third tall/mid sized forward. Sadly either Shaz got injured or the likes of Howe/Langdon returned and there was never any hope of all 3 pairing with the 2 main KPD's, it just made us far to slow and tall.
I think with the Langdon news (I do hope Langers can return at some stage), I think we will see Shaz have a chance to team up with Howe and the pair can rotate between that intercept role and picking up the third KPF or the mid-sized forward type. Both have great hands, safe users of the ball and are both fantastic readers of the play, what we'll lose in Langdon's pace, I think we will make up for in Shaz's decision making coming out of the back half.
For mine Shaz just needs to get some consistency. If he can get a good run at it and string a nice amount of games together we'll start to really see some nice stuff from him.
Throughout patches of 2018 and 2019, when Howe and Langdon were out respectively I think we saw some really good signs from Shaz, either dropping of as the spare interceptor or rotating onto the third tall/mid sized forward. Sadly either Shaz got injured or the likes of Howe/Langdon returned and there was never any hope of all 3 pairing with the 2 main KPD's, it just made us far to slow and tall.
I think with the Langdon news (I do hope Langers can return at some stage), I think we will see Shaz have a chance to team up with Howe and the pair can rotate between that intercept role and picking up the third KPF or the mid-sized forward type. Both have great hands, safe users of the ball and are both fantastic readers of the play, what we'll lose in Langdon's pace, I think we will make up for in Shaz's decision making coming out of the back half.
For mine Shaz just needs to get some consistency. If he can get a good run at it and string a nice amount of games together we'll start to really see some nice stuff from him.
His 2018 performances suggest otherwise
No doubt Greening was a great player, but if he was the best of all time how come he never won a best and fairest in his 100 games?
Coleman won the best and fairest in his first year.
He has rarely performed well on KPD’s. Go back and watch his performances in 2018, whilst he was good, he was exposed 1on1 against bigger bodies.
Anyways. You bring up these 2018 performances... can you point me in the direction of games where he has proven himself able to play on big forwards?
Just off the top of my head, he was exposed in 2018 on Queens Birthday as Melbourne isolated him 1on1 v Tom McDonald. I believe Mcdonald kicked 4 on him, on a day where we completely dominated them.
