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King Corey said:
A very welcome article and another encouraging filip from the North alumni.

But the quoted is exactly the problem I hope we've dug up, triaged and ensured never occurs again.

The best player in AFL and North Melbourne history has acknowledged that in retirement that he typically didn't give a toss whether we rose or fell.

Can you imagine Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown, Matthew Richardson or Chris Grant ever relating to their clubs in that way?

And great players that they all were - none were Wayne Carey nor with the exception of Brown enjoyed the team success he did.

Hopefully this sort of attitude from the entire past player contingent is behind us but it's a telling statement in its honesty.
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I would suggest that the specific circumstances around Carey leaving explain why he didn't feel connected to the club for most of the period since he left. In that sense, he's an outlier.
 
King Corey said:
A very welcome article and another encouraging filip from the North alumni.

But the quoted is exactly the problem I hope we've dug up, triaged and ensured never occurs again.

The best player in AFL and North Melbourne history has acknowledged that in retirement that he typically didn't give a toss whether we rose or fell.

Can you imagine Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown, Matthew Richardson or Chris Grant ever relating to their clubs in that way?

And great players that they all were - none were Wayne Carey nor with the exception of Brown enjoyed the team success he did.

Hopefully this sort of attitude from the entire past player contingent is behind us but it's a telling statement in its honesty.
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The nature of his departure may have influenced his feeling for the club. That is very different to the others you mention.
 

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LuvtheKangas said:
I would suggest that the specific circumstances around Carey leaving explain why he didn't feel connected to the club for most of the period since he left. In that sense, he's an outlier.
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king of the road said:
The nature of his departure may have influenced his feeling for the club. That is very different to the others you mention.
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Fair point and no doubt it contributed.

But if we had a chorus of vocal support in the media anytime we were under attack then yes, he'd have been the anomaly.

But look at 2007 - other than Archer pretty much every other past player sat on their hands. Even for Wayne, if there was a time he was going to step up and brush aside those particular circumstances (things were warm enough between him and club that he had been to functions in the meantime) that was the time to do it.

Better late than never though. Very encouraged by the newly mobilised Arden Army that seems to have materialised with Carey, McKernan, Archer et al on board :thumbsu:.
 
I can guarantee you that any serious North to Tasmania talk will not happen for at least 10 years now.

The AFL has a 600 million dollar line of credit and any thoughts of expanding the league will not happen for at least 10 years now.
They can't afford to start a new team or move a team and prop it up until it is established in Tasmania as they are already bleeding money from the Sun's and GWS expansions.
Plus merging a team or two will also erode TV rights as one less game will be played per round which means less money from broadcasters.
They are also already talking about reduced money from TV rights as the free to air stations don't have the same money as they used to with the people moving to streaming services and a very segmented market.
As a result I can see the current teams being static in structure for 10 years before the AFL clears it's debt and recovers it's revenue stream to what it once was.
 
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Hutchy slinging off the record stories like they’re going out of fashion.
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There's big fat advertising contracts at stake here. It will ramp up further.

No helicopter rides to the races in 2020. Poor Hutchy.
 
King Corey said:
A very welcome article and another encouraging filip from the North alumni.

But the quoted is exactly the problem I hope we've dug up, triaged and ensured never occurs again.

The best player in AFL and North Melbourne history has acknowledged that in retirement that he typically didn't give a toss whether we rose or fell.

Can you imagine Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown, Matthew Richardson or Chris Grant ever relating to their clubs in that way?

And great players that they all were - none were Wayne Carey nor with the exception of Brown enjoyed the team success he did.

Hopefully this sort of attitude from the entire past player contingent is behind us but it's a telling statement in its honesty.
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I think it’s complicated for Carey.

His public thoughts are tied up in the remnants of the s**t that went down at the end.
 
ArchKing Carey said:
I can guarantee you that any serious North to Tasmania talk will not happen for at least 10 years now.

The AFL has a 600 million dollar line of credit and any thoughts of expanding the league will not happen for at least 10 years now.
They can't afford to start a new team or move a team and prop it up until it is established in Tasmania as they are already bleeding money from the Sun's and GWS expansions.
Plus merging a team or two will also erode TV rights as one less game will be played per round which means less money from broadcasters.
They are also already talking about reduced money from TV rights as the free to air stations don't have the same money as they used to with the people moving to streaming services and a very segmented market.
As a result I can see the current teams being static in structure for 10 years before the AFL clears it's debt and recovers it's revenue stream to what it once was.
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The 18 team model gets trotted around a bit.

But hopefully the AFL wake up at some point and realise a demographic consisting of bikies plying their trade on Cavill Avenue, pommy tradies trying to get rich quick and a few retirees moving north to ease their ageing knees isn't really the basis for an expansion AFL team.
 
King Corey said:
The 18 team model gets trotted around a bit.

But hopefully the AFL wake up at some point and realise a demographic consisting of bikies plying their trade on Cavill Avenue, pommy tradies trying to get rich quick and a few retirees moving north to ease their ageing knees isn't really the basis for an expansion AFL team.
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But their kids are.
 
Putting aside the main content of the article, Carey is so right about what happened when we added those two clubs. The reason the AFL is constantly tinkering with the ******* rules trying to make a 'better spectacle' is because the quality of each team HAS drastically dropped. Carlton and Melbourne would still have been s**t, but imagine if Carlton had a David Swallow in their midfield mix the entire time? If Melbourne had a Cameron? If we had a Kelly on the wing? Even if the ladders had stayed in synch with the competition including the expansion teams the actual games would have been so much better. Every struggling team would have had an extra A grader for fans to latch onto, making them more financially viable, allowing them to invest in the club more etc etc.

The greed for TV money has done a number on the comp, and * off with the auskick participation rates and the like, they absolutely could have invested 1/20th of the money it cost for the new teams into those programs and probably got better results. Hell, the AFLW has undoubtedly done more for participation rates than the expansion teams. Imagine if they had started the AFLW back then, and how it would be looking now? Another 1/20th into the second and third tier comps. Imagine what would happen if the average salary for the second tier competitions increased by a couple grand a year? More promising players would work less and spend more time on their AFL careers, you would have more mature players excelling and getting drafted than ever before, the quality of the seniors would increase even more because of it.

Bleh.
 
Devington said:
Putting aside the main content of the article, Carey is so right about what happened when we added those two clubs. The reason the AFL is constantly tinkering with the ******* rules trying to make a 'better spectacle' is because the quality of each team HAS drastically dropped. Carlton and Melbourne would still have been s**t, but imagine if Carlton had a David Swallow in their midfield mix the entire time? If Melbourne had a Cameron? If we had a Kelly on the wing? Even if the ladders had stayed in synch with the competition including the expansion teams the actual games would have been so much better. Every struggling team would have had an extra A grader for fans to latch onto, making them more financially viable, allowing them to invest in the club more etc etc.

The greed for TV money has done a number on the comp, and fu** off with the auskick participation rates and the like, they absolutely could have invested 1/20th of the money it cost for the new teams into those programs and probably got better results. Hell, the AFLW has undoubtedly done more for participation rates than the expansion teams. Imagine if they had started the AFLW back then, and how it would be looking now? Another 1/20th into the second and third tier comps. Imagine what would happen if the average salary for the second tier competitions increased by a couple grand a year? More promising players would work less and spend more time on their AFL careers, you would have more mature players excelling and getting drafted than ever before, the quality of the seniors would increase even more because of it.

Bleh.
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The sport changed irreparably with the big money. The corporates, lawyers, marketers and media all saw the money, moved in and set up shop and the profile was driven up. As the profile grew, the social movements latched on to it to gain an exposure they could never get on their own merits, and as this shark pool grew, the clamboring for more and more money took away from the clubs, wghich are the very thing that created the market (the clubs), and then they came under threat.

Do you ever hear this lot talking about trimming back that bullshit that has latched on to the sport? Nah, perish that thought, let's start with shelving North in order to protect the big money.

Parasitism is killing this sport.
 

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The last 35+ years of expansion has really hurt the quality of footy. It was better when it was a 12 team league, where everybody played each other twice. Interstate games should have been left as exhibition games. People who want a side in Tasmania seem to be forgetting that we will just have more compromised drafts, with salary cap concessions.
 
Boomer29er said:
The last 35+ years of expansion has really hurt the quality of footy. It was better when it was a 12 team league, where everybody played each other twice. Interstate games should have been left as exhibition games. People who want a side in Tasmania seem to be forgetting that we will just have more compromised drafts, with salary cap concessions.
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The games has gone backwards as the parasites multiplied.
 
Snake_Baker said:
The sport changed irreparably with the big money. The corporates, lawyers, marketers and media all saw the money, moved in and set up shop and the profile was driven up. As the profile grew, the social movements latched on to it to gain an exposure they could never get on their own merits, and as this shark pool grew, the clamboring for more and more money took away from the clubs, wghich are the very thing that created the market (the clubs), and then they came under threat.

Do you ever hear this lot talking about trimming back that bullshit that has latched on to the sport? Nah, perish that thought, let's start with shelving North in order to protect the big money.

Parasitism is killing this sport.
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Noses in the trough.
 
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