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LukeParkerno1 said:
Bingo wouldn’t be surprised if this is a leveraging tool and not much more
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Leveraging with what? The wage he and every player in the competition is losing as part of this? They're not in a position to be leveraging s**t.

I think there is a reason former players have suggested it's not a good idea, because they know what it's like to be players and I don't think they are the money-hungry, footy-loving robots made for our entertainment that people think they are. Their priorities during this crisis will be their families and their health above anything else.

New fathers (we have two, and they happen to be pretty important players) will not find it so easy to leave their partners at home with their babies in a time of isolation, when access to support is already limited. Mental health issues are also rife in the AFL, not just those who have spoken about it candidly but can guarantee there are many more out there. They will also not find it so easy to be away from their homes and their families in an isolated environment that will become a footy bubble (which is already what they seek to get away from when dealing with depression or anxiety.)

I think those two very valid reasons alone will see a large number of players unable or unwilling to participate, and you then have to ask what sort of competition you'll be left with once the wills are sorted from the will-nots.
 
caesar88 said:
Leveraging with what? The wage he and every player in the competition is losing as part of this? They're not in a position to be leveraging s**t.

I think there is a reason former players have suggested it's not a good idea, because they know what it's like to be players and I don't think they are the money-hungry, footy-loving robots made for our entertainment that people think they are. Their priorities during this crisis will be their families and their health above anything else.

New fathers (we have two, and they happen to be pretty important players) will not find it so easy to leave their partners at home with their babies in a time of isolation, when access to support is already limited. Mental health issues are also rife in the AFL, not just those who have spoken about it candidly but can guarantee there are many more out there. They will also not find it so easy to be away from their homes and their families in an isolated environment that will become a footy bubble (which is already what they seek to get away from when dealing with depression or anxiety.)

I think those two very valid reasons alone will see a large number of players unable or unwilling to participate, and you then have to ask what sort of competition you'll be left with once the wills are sorted from the will-nots.
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I get that but teams such as cricket, rugby, league, etc have done large tours before. They should be doing all they can to get on the field and if that means basing in Victoria so be it. If a player wishes to not participate that’s fine, they don’t get paid though.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
I get that but teams such as cricket, rugby, league, etc have done large tours before. They should be doing all they can to get on the field and if that means basing in Victoria so be it. If a player wishes to not participate that’s fine, they don’t get paid though.
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I am not saying what they should or shouldn't be doing. If it were me right now with no kids I'd play on ******* Caroline Island if I had to and my missus would be all for it. But it's not me, it's them, blokes who have chosen AFL as careers, not cricket or rugby, certainly not with the expectation that they'd have to leave their families for weeks at a time, or be forced into isolation with their team-mates in a quarantine bubble. Again this is you expecting them to be money hungry, footy-loving robots who should be thinking about the sport and our entertainment, rather than human beings who may have other priorities during this crisis.
 

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The King! said:
I think they would have to be able to take their families (partner kids) and if they can do that you presume we might be able to just play normally
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I think that has the potential to be a logistical nightmare and as Parker said, good luck to whoever's left with that job.
 
The stats are starting to look really good for Australia. After being firmly entrenched in the Top 20 Covid-19 countries for infections in the world we've been pushed back to the low 20s. Our daily infection rates are relatively small, with the US jumping by as many as 30,000 each day. Russia went from nowhere to jump past us. I've been really concerned about countries like India which will go past us shortly.

If things stay on this trajectory we'll be in an environment both medically and politically where the season could be resurrected one way or another. The only ladder that counts at the moment is one you don't want to be anywhere near the Top 4.
 
caesar88 said:
I think that has the potential to be a logistical nightmare and as Parker said, good luck to whoever's left with that job.
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Yeah I don’t see it working but oh well who knows
NRL going to go first it seems
 
Annoyed by the amount of pushback for literally any idea presented to get the season started. Who cares if it 'breaks tradition' or is a bit weird, the season will just not exist otherwise without these ideas and will * the league for years.
 
scaryness said:
Annoyed by the amount of pushback for literally any idea presented to get the season started. Who cares if it 'breaks tradition' or is a bit weird, the season will just not exist otherwise without these ideas and will fu** the league for years.
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There’s pushback on reopening society despite how much it *s us up for years

people can’t wait to dob others in etc
 
swansfan51 said:
Lockdown can't be too bad, the worst it could do is set the world back 3 decades and put half a billion people into poverty

www.theguardian.com

Coronavirus could turn back the clock 30 years on global poverty

Economic impact of global shutdown could push half a billion people into privation, researchers warn
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Problem is whats the answer? We are pretty much in the unkown. i mean the world survived ww1 ww2 and 1970s music yet we eventually came thru.

now I'm not saying that this won't be a catastrophe, if it isn't already, but generally the world finds a way to function again.

hopefully history repeats
 

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The King! said:
Yeah I don’t see it working but oh well who knows
NRL going to go first it seems
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I've thought for decades if that were the last sport left on earth I'd not even bother with it. Didn't think that it would ever be tested though.
 
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swansfan51 said:
Lockdown can't be too bad, the worst it could do is set the world back 3 decades and put half a billion people into poverty

www.theguardian.com

Coronavirus could turn back the clock 30 years on global poverty

Economic impact of global shutdown could push half a billion people into privation, researchers warn
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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So developing nations can turn the clock back 30 years in poverty. Damn what now?..........will the Chinese start eating rats? And make that part of their live markets? oh hang on.....
 
Capitalism has it's good points, but so does socialism. Both also have bad points. If only there were a happy middle ground, you know, socialism, but democratic. Not sure what you could call it tho.
 
swansfan51 said:
There is no vaccine for SARS and that first broke out 17 years ago. If your plan is a lockdown, plan for a very long one.

Next case study for anyone this hasn't quite hit home for yet: Bali. Bali has a population of over 4 million and 80% of its GDP comes from tourism. There was already extensive poverty in Bali before these lockdowns. How many people will suffer as a result of 80% of the island's GDP being destroyed?



Many of those 12 million people will have zero income for 12-18 months. They are not receiving a $1500 fortnightly JobKeeper payment. How many deaths will there be in Indonesia, especially Bali, as a result of these lockdowns?

It is astonishing arrogance and delusion to sit snug in your houses and say lets shut down society. What we are doing right now will have devastating consequences for hundreds of millions of people. More people may die in India as a result of Modi's lockdown than will die in the entire world as a result of COVID-19

EDIT: 400 MILLION Indians to sink further into poverty as a result of the lockdown (https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...to-poverty-un-report/articleshow/75041922.cms). What's the worst that can happen in a lockdown? Other than destroying the lives of half a billion people.
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So you’re saying there could be some really cheap property investments in Bail soon then? Deceased estate bargains? Thanks for the tip .....
 
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swansfan51 said:
There is no vaccine for SARS and that first broke out 17 years ago. If your plan is a lockdown, plan for a very long one.

Next case study for anyone this hasn't quite hit home for yet: Bali. Bali has a population of over 4 million and 80% of its GDP comes from tourism. There was already extensive poverty in Bali before these lockdowns. How many people will suffer as a result of 80% of the island's GDP being destroyed?



Many of those 12 million people will have zero income for 12-18 months. They are not receiving a $1500 fortnightly JobKeeper payment. How many deaths will there be in Indonesia, especially Bali, as a result of these lockdowns?

It is astonishing arrogance and delusion to sit snug in your houses and say lets shut down society. What we are doing right now will have devastating consequences for hundreds of millions of people. More people may die in India as a result of Modi's lockdown than will die in the entire world as a result of COVID-19

EDIT: 400 MILLION Indians to sink further into poverty as a result of the lockdown (https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...to-poverty-un-report/articleshow/75041922.cms). What's the worst that can happen in a lockdown? Other than destroying the lives of half a billion people.
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You don’t think it’s feasible to have another 400m people as debt collection by phone? Or as telco services? One to hold phone one to dial number and one to talk? Job sharing.
 
swansfan51 said:
There is no vaccine for SARS and that first broke out 17 years ago. If your plan is a lockdown, plan for a very long one.
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That's a false equivalency though. SARS affects very few people, so there is little demand for the development of a cure.

A better example is Ebola. For years people had been working on treatments for Ebola and similar viruses, but with only a few cases in poor and rural African countries, there was no market for development and now way for large-scale human testing. So it never went any further. With the last major outbreak, suddenly it became a global threat. All of a sudden we had a cure for ebola within a few months.

The first person/company to get a COVID cure to market is going to be stupidly rich and famous. We will have one sooner, rather than later.
 
replicant said:
That's a false equivalency though. SARS affects very few people, so there is little demand for the development of a cure.

A better example is Ebola. For years people had been working on treatments for Ebola and similar viruses, but with only a few cases in poor and rural African countries, there was no market for development and now way for large-scale human testing. So it never went any further. With the last major outbreak, suddenly it became a global threat. All of a sudden we had a cure for ebola within a few months.

The first person/company to get a COVID cure to market is going to be stupidly rich and famous. We will have one sooner, rather than later.
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wheres the cancer cure then
 
The King! said:
wheres the cancer cure then
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There are lots of cancer cures, for various cancers.

Cancer is a little different to a virus though. A better example is a cure for HIV, which is one they haven't been able to crack yet.
 
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