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Shell said:
Ah yep just googled, its come back to me. Money and because he was scared his Ford Fiesta was going to be taken off him.

Perfectly acceptable reasons for murdering your whole family absolutely.
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This case seems to be the Australian equivalent to the well known Amityville case, where Ronald DeFeo Junior, the eldest son of a wealthy Italian-American family from Amityville New York shot to death his father, mother, two sisters and two brothers in their opulent Dutch Colonial house in Amityville, New York in 1974.

The motives for the murders - family tensions and money - and the disorganized the way the crimes were carried out are quite similar, plus both houses became infamous after the crimes due to their unhappy histories
 
emuboy said:
This case seems to be the Australian equivalent to the well known Amityville case, where Ronald DeFeo Junior, the eldest son of a wealthy Italian-American family from Amityville New York shot to death his father, mother, two sisters and two brothers in their opulent Dutch Colonial house in Amityville, New York in 1974.

The motives for the murders - family tensions and money - and the disorganized the way the crimes were carried out are quite similar, plus both houses became infamous after the crimes due to their unhappy histories
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Menendez brothers.

Happens quite a bit... the um... the Wales? Is that their surname. Absolute scumbag son, killing his rich parents- that was here in Victoria.

How ******* dumb would you have to be.. come up with a weak alibi, then head straight to the lawyer hitting up the will.
 

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Shell said:
Menendez brothers.

Happens quite a bit... the um... the Wales? Is that their surname. Absolute scumbag son, killing his rich parents- that was here in Victoria.

How ******* dumb would you have to be.. come up with a weak alibi, then head straight to the lawyer hitting up the will.
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There's some dumb criminals out there, that's for sure. However, there's some high profile criminals who brought themselves undone through the stupidest mistakes.

One good example was John Wayne Gacy. A portly, jolly sort of man who ran a contracting business and who outside of work was active in local community events and often dressed as a clown to entertain sick and disadvantaged kids with magic shows, behind the masquerade Gacy was in fact an evil, vile serial killer, who would lure boys and men to his house where he would torture, sodomize and kill them, either burying the bodies in the crawl space under his house or weighting them down and throwing them in a river.

Gacy was so cunning - only targeting men/boys who were homeless, runaways, drug addicts or caught up in the murky world of gay prostitution and less likely to be missed - that he got away with his crimes for years on end, and nobody in Chicago had the slightest clue that a serial killer was active in the area, much less one of the worst on record. Gacy's sick and evil reign came to an end in December 1978 when he murdered a 15-year-old boy, Robert Piest. However, Gacy approached Piest to offer him additional work in a crowded pharmacy where the manager and other witnesses who knew Gacy and Piest by name could hear everything. Unlike his other targets, Piest came from a stable family home and would obviously be missed. And Gacy allowed Piest to call his mother to say where he was going.

Considering how well Gacy had covered his tracks before, you have to wonder why such a cunning psychopath would make such a chain of stupid mistakes that brought him down. Within two weeks of this, Gacy was arrested and charged with over 30 counts of murder and other offenses. After years on death row, 'The Killer Clown' was finally executed in May 1994.
 
Shell said:
Yeah I know Gacy.got a Serial killer Sunday episode on him on DVD
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It's not only murderers that make stupid mistakes when committing crimes, some other experienced criminals in other fields have made the dumbest of mistakes.

One interesting case I read about concerned the infamous British spy ring 'The Cambridge Five' which operated in from the late 1930s to the early 1950s, in which five Cambridge graduates now in high government jobs - Kim Philby, John Cairncross, Donald McLean, Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt - used their positions to obtain highly classified information and pass it on to the Soviets.

The five men all had very different personalities. Philby was a married man with children who was extremely ambitious, seemingly set for very high government office. Like Philby, Cairncross was married with children but kept a far lower profile, going to work each day then home to his family. McLean was also married and very much into international politics which showed in his diplomatic career while Blunt, a very carefully closeted homosexual, was on the fringe of the aristocracy, and as an expert in arts, history and culture mixed in some pretty high echelons of British society.

The fifth spy, Guy Burgess, was a terrible drunk and a promiscuous, practicing homosexual - a very big deal in England at the time. He also attracted much unwanted attention for his outrageous behavior, which wouldn't have seemed ideal for a spy, but perhaps Burgess found cover in audacity, and was pretty effective at obtaining and passing on information to the Russians.

However, one evening Burgess was heading home after work with a briefcase of copied, highly classified documents when he stopped at the pub for a drink. Unfortunately, as Burgess was an alcoholic one drink was too much and 100 not enough, and he became so intoxicated that he tripped over in the pub, the briefcase flying open and the copied documents going everywhere. Not to worry, helpful pub patrons helped him pick up the papers, the drunk Burgess staggered off on his way and the documents were duly delivered to a Soviet agent the next day.

This incident didn't bring down the spy ring, but I doubt Kim Philby and the others would have been too pleased about it and more than a little worried for weeks afterwards. As for Burgess himself, after defecting to the Soviet Union with McLean in 1951 he found his new home not to his liking except for one thing, alcohol, lots of alcohol, and by 1963 had drank himself to death.
 
Four of the seven continents start with an A - Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica - while North America and South America are frequently grouped together and called the Americas, so another A. The odd one out is of course Europe.
 
emuboy said:
Four of the seven continents start with an A - Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica - while North America and South America are frequently grouped together and called the Americas, so another A. The odd one out is of course Europe.
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Technically Europe is just part of Asia
Except the flat earthers didnt realise

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Shell said:
Wow. Talk about a sliding doors moment re. Rescuing v not being able to rescue the child.

Was there any sort of motive re the murders.. ?

I honestly have absolutely no recollection of the case. I was os at the time when it happened and back then very limited Internet too
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Another 'sliding doors' moment in crime came in the early 1950s in the New Zealand city of Christchurch, where two girls Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme started high school and struck up a friendship. Parents and teachers were initially encouraging of the two girls' friendship, thinking that they would be good for each other due to their difficult early years. And there's no denying both girls did have terrible childhoods. Pauline Parker who was born in New Zealand had suffered from poliomyelitis and her other siblings were all disabled in some way from birth, one of them dying. The second girl Juliet Hulme was originally from England and came from a wealthy sort of background, but this didn't save her from debilitating tuberculosis and severe bomb shock from her experiences during The Blitz in London during World War 2.

At first their friendship was just normal teenage girl stuff, but then took a troubling turn. The girls began spending all of their time together, obsessing over their respective medical conditions, writing dark and disturbing fiction, inventing their own fantasy worlds and even created their own religion. The very close relationship of the two girls increasingly worried parents and teachers, who thought that they might be lesbians, a very big deal in New Zealand at the time. Eventually, it was decided to separate the girls, with Juliet Hulme to be sent to live with relatives in South Africa. Not surprisingly, the two girls wanted to go to South Africa together, and even less surprisingly, their parents all firmly said no.

In June 1954, Parker and Hulme bludgeoned Pauline's mother Honora to death in a Christchurch park, seeing her as the major obstacle in their plans to stop them being separated. Both girls were sentenced to prison and changed their names after release. Pauline Parker has long since vanished into obscurity but Juliet Hulme turned her hand to writing historical crime fiction under the name Anne Perry.

You have to wonder, what would have happened had the two girls not become best friends in the first place, or if the friendship had been stopped earlier as soon as problems began to arise? For example, if the two girls had each become best friends with two other well-adjusted girls from happy childhoods, would they have grown up more balanced people? Honora Parker might not have met a tragic end at the hands of her daughter and daughter's friend in 1954.

Peter Jackson made a movie in 1994 about this famous case called "Heavenly Creatures". Two then young unknown actresses took the lead roles. These were Melanie Lynskey, then aged 17 and from Christchurch who played Pauline, and 18-year-old English actress Kate Winslett played Juliet. Both would go on to great fame in the future.
 
When the Adelaide Crows entered the AFL in 1991, their navy blue, red and gold jumpers had at least one color from each of the 10 SANFL clubs at the time except for the Port Adelaide Magpies. These are navy blue (Norwood, Sturt, South Adelaide), red (North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Central Districts, Norwood) and gold (Glenelg, West Torrens, Woodville).
 
You can't put your left palm on your left shoulder or your right palm on your right shoulder.























You just tried to do it.
 

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Although nearly 109 years have gone by since the Titanic struck an iceberg and sank in the freezing North Atlantic Ocean on her maiden voyage on 15 April 1912, it still rates as one of the worst ever disasters at sea. Over 1500 of approximately 2200 people on board died, and the disaster is firmly entrenched in legend and popular culture.

But as bad as the Titanic disaster was, it could have been much worse. How? I found this out by watching a Youtube video on the sinking, where it was discussed what would have happened if the Titanic's bow had missed the iceberg, but the stern had swiped the ice on the way past, opening up the last five watertight compartments to the sea with the liner sinking stern first.

If the Titanic had gone down in reverse, the water would have reached her engine rooms and killed all the electricity within less than half an hour, plunging the ship into darkness before it could be evacuated and causing panic on board, whereas when the ship went down bow first the lights stayed on until Titanic broke between her third and fourth funnels. The Marconi wireless to send out distress signals had a battery as back up, but it would have had a range of less than 50 miles, and would not have reached the rescue ship the Carpathia or any other ships close enough to help. The Titanic's heavy machinery was located towards the stern, which means the added weight would have dragged the ship down faster, sending the bow high in the air earlier, making it impossible to launch lifeboats. And while the ship possibly would not have broken in half going down stern first, it is doubtful Titanic would have even lasted an hour sinking in reverse. The death toll may well have been 2000 or more.
 
emuboy said:
There's some dumb criminals out there, that's for sure. However, there's some high profile criminals who brought themselves undone through the stupidest mistakes.

One good example was John Wayne Gacy. A portly, jolly sort of man who ran a contracting business and who outside of work was active in local community events and often dressed as a clown to entertain sick and disadvantaged kids with magic shows, behind the masquerade Gacy was in fact an evil, vile serial killer, who would lure boys and men to his house where he would torture, sodomize and kill them, either burying the bodies in the crawl space under his house or weighting them down and throwing them in a river.

Gacy was so cunning - only targeting men/boys who were homeless, runaways, drug addicts or caught up in the murky world of gay prostitution and less likely to be missed - that he got away with his crimes for years on end, and nobody in Chicago had the slightest clue that a serial killer was active in the area, much less one of the worst on record. Gacy's sick and evil reign came to an end in December 1978 when he murdered a 15-year-old boy, Robert Piest. However, Gacy approached Piest to offer him additional work in a crowded pharmacy where the manager and other witnesses who knew Gacy and Piest by name could hear everything. Unlike his other targets, Piest came from a stable family home and would obviously be missed. And Gacy allowed Piest to call his mother to say where he was going.

Considering how well Gacy had covered his tracks before, you have to wonder why such a cunning psychopath would make such a chain of stupid mistakes that brought him down. Within two weeks of this, Gacy was arrested and charged with over 30 counts of murder and other offenses. After years on death row, 'The Killer Clown' was finally executed in May 1994.
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I read a book by a journalist that finally was granted permission to enter death row and interview Gacy. In one interview he spoke to the journo about how he wanted to tear him oipen and watch his blood gush down into the drainhole in the cell, while the journo was in tears, frozen.
Gacy had a hypnotic personality at times, a way of just making people do what he wanted. Most serial killers want to be remembered in one way or another which is possibly why he got sloppy and was caught.
 
Mofra said:
I read a book by a journalist that finally was granted permission to enter death row and interview Gacy. In one interview he spoke to the journo about how he wanted to tear him oipen and watch his blood gush down into the drainhole in the cell, while the journo was in tears, frozen.
Gacy had a hypnotic personality at times, a way of just making people do what he wanted. Most serial killers want to be remembered in one way or another which is possibly why he got sloppy and was caught.
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I read one book by an FBI profiler who talked to several serial killers. One guy he interviewed alone was Edward Kemper (who killed his mother and half-a-dozen others). In the course of one interview, Kemper said he was extremely bored in prison (he was supposedly very intelligent), and could just kill the FBI man if he wanted to for kicks. The thing was Kemper was a giant, 6-9, and could definitely murder someone by hand in a few seconds if he decided to.

The FBI had been running a program where they earned the killers' confidence and were interviewing them solo to try and understand their thought processes (there was a guard outside to answer the knock on the door when the interview was over). After that, all face-to-face interviews with violent offenders on life sentences or death row were done with an armed guard in the room. As a result, the level and quality of information obtained from the prisoners dropped as they revealed less of their thoughts with a prison guard in the room.
 
Wallaby said:
I read one book by an FBI profiler who talked to several serial killers. One guy he interviewed alone was Edward Kemper (who killed his mother and half-a-dozen others). In the course of one interview, Kemper said he was extremely bored in prison (he was supposedly very intelligent), and could just kill the FBI man if he wanted to for kicks. The thing was Kemper was a giant, 6-9, and could definitely murder someone by hand in a few seconds if he decided to.

The FBI had been running a program where they earned the killers' confidence and were interviewing them solo to try and understand their thought processes (there was a guard outside to answer the knock on the door when the interview was over). After that, all face-to-face interviews with violent offenders on life sentences or death row were done with an armed guard in the room. As a result, the level and quality of information obtained from the prisoners dropped as they revealed less of their thoughts with a prison guard in the room.
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Look for Mindhunter on a streaming service - I think Netflix - this series shows this process - and indeed Kemper
 
Wallaby said:
I read one book by an FBI profiler who talked to several serial killers. One guy he interviewed alone was Edward Kemper (who killed his mother and half-a-dozen others). In the course of one interview, Kemper said he was extremely bored in prison (he was supposedly very intelligent), and could just kill the FBI man if he wanted to for kicks. The thing was Kemper was a giant, 6-9, and could definitely murder someone by hand in a few seconds if he decided to.

The FBI had been running a program where they earned the killers' confidence and were interviewing them solo to try and understand their thought processes (there was a guard outside to answer the knock on the door when the interview was over). After that, all face-to-face interviews with violent offenders on life sentences or death row were done with an armed guard in the room. As a result, the level and quality of information obtained from the prisoners dropped as they revealed less of their thoughts with a prison guard in the room.
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IVE READ THAT!!!!

And i totally remember that part of the book. "Whoever Fights Monsters" i believe was the titles of that book



Do you also remember that chapter about the vampire killer who would eat some of his victims organs. The profiler was confused as to the pattern re. which houses he went into while others he didnt. He replied- "if the front door was locked, that meant I wasnt invited". So he would never actually break into the house- he'd only go in if the door was unlocked.

******* terrifying right- the difference between life and death is a locked door.

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The assassination of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo in July 1914 ignited tensions in the Balkans and in greater Europe, setting off World War I which would last for over four years.

The royal couple from the Habsburg family of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire were shot dead in a car that bore the registration plate AIII 11 18, and the armistice to end the First World War took place on 11 November 1918 (11/11/18).
 
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