Training 2021 Pre-Season

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Strahany said:
Hamstring mechanics are interesting in that their contribution to running does not have a linear relationship with pace. They start off relatively unused, before exponentially increasing demands towards the top-end of sprint speed. As any St Kilda or Sydney fan can attest to, high-speed running is Jones' key strength. It begs the question of whether Jones (and potentially others based on injury history like Hanners or expected sprinting demands like Butler) need to have more sprint work and heavy eccentric training incorporated into their programs. I would like to think the club will be well on top of this, though, as they have an excellent medical department.
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Strahany, that is very interesting and not what I expected or thought I knew. From my childhood years I was a sprinter and footy player. My father always made me do stretching exercises before I ran or played footy, so I was warm and flexible before competing. I never had a hamstring injury of any kind.

I always thought my hamstrings were under the most pressure when starting from the blocks or from a more or less standing start from a pack or after bending to pick up a ball. And having a long kick at relatively low speed. Running at top speed seemed relatively stress-free and effortless, as well as kicking at that pace.

I expect what you say is based on contemporary research etc. so I'm not questioning it as such, only that I didn't know that was how hamstring mechanics worked. I have long believed that footballers could really benefit from specialised sprint training. That is, all of them. I think they would be surprised with how much top end speed they could gain and how quickly they could get there, even if it wasn't an integral part of some players game styles.
 

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Circus said:
Strahany, that is very interesting and not what I expected or thought I knew. From my childhood years I was a sprinter and footy player. My father always made me do stretching exercises before I ran or played footy, so I was warm and flexible before competing. I never had a hamstring injury of any kind.

I always thought my hamstrings were under the most pressure when starting from the blocks or from a more or less standing start from a pack or after bending to pick up a ball. And having a long kick at relatively low speed. Running at top speed seemed relatively stress-free and effortless, as well as kicking at that pace.

I expect what you say is based on contemporary research etc. so I'm not questioning it as such, only that I didn't know that was how hamstring mechanics worked. I have long believed that footballers could really benefit from specialised sprint training. That is, all of them. I think they would be surprised with how much top end speed they could gain and how quickly they could get there, even if it wasn't an integral part of some players game styles.
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Also wonder if individual technique plays a part, or how much the leg movements differ between running on a track and in football. i.e getting off the ground first, stabilising, picking a ball up off the ground, evading, having to bounce, being in footy boots on grass etc. I would assume most of the science comes from track observation?
Likewise, not doubting it at all, just wondering if it's always the case, or just a rule of thumb.
 
stavro#4 said:
Any player on that list that we don’t have a player ready to step into his role?

Kinda exciting when you think about it like that =)
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I'm concerned about the ruck role without Marshall. I suspect that we will see Ryder bear the brunt of it for the first few weeks until Marshall is back, and then he'll be given an extended break. It means we may be without our best set up for 6+ weeks.
 
FQFjt said:
I'm concerned about the ruck role without Marshall. I suspect that we will see Ryder bear the brunt of it for the first few weeks until Marshall is back, and then he'll be given an extended break. It means we may be without our best set up for 6+ weeks.
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I'd be very surprised if they felt Ryder needed an extended break after 2-3 games of carrying the ruck duties. Maybe a rest for one week, but he wouldn't need more than that. He's a naturally fit player who is pretty well suited to being the sole ruck.
 
Ducky Tie said:
I'd be very surprised if they felt Ryder needed an extended break after 2-3 games of carrying the ruck duties. Maybe a rest for one week, but he wouldn't need more than that. He's a naturally fit player who is pretty well suited to being the sole ruck.
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He is also a 34 year old coming off hamstring surgery !. It’s a big ask for him to ruck solo for the first month.

Suspect Marsh may come in to shoulder some of the load and let Paddy play his highly effective pinch hitting role.
 
Atomboy said:
He is also a 34 year old coming off hamstring surgery !. It’s a big ask for him to ruck solo for the first month.

Suspect Marsh may come in to shoulder some of the load and let Paddy play his highly effective pinch hitting role.
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Yeah it's not a walk in the park, but I still don't see him being rested for an extended period. It's pretty rare for any player to be rested for more than a week, let alone after only two-three rounds.
 
If we're concerned about Paddy being able to carry that load we just play McKernan (fitness/form pending). Simples.

This was him just two seasons ago:



If he's in anything like that sort of form I'd be excited to see him and Max in the same forward 50. The guy can clunk a footy.

If you left Shaun to go and double-team Max he'd be just as likely to mark the thing.
 
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aussierulesrules said:
If we're concerned about Paddy being able to carry that load we just play McKernan (fitness/form pending). Simples.

This was him just two seasons ago:



If he's in anything like that sort of form I'd be excited to see him and Max in the same forward 50. The guy can clunk a footy.

If you left Shaun to go and double-team Max he'd be just as likely to mark the thing.
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Geeze he can really clunk them ,cant he.With a highlights package like this, makes you wonder why we didn’t pick him up a few years ago when he was training with us .
 

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Given Paddy is not playing tomorrow night, it must mean that they want to make sure he’s fit and firing heading into Round One.

I do think that they’ll be able to play just him as the solo ruck with some creative field positing. It could be a situation were Paddy does the centre bounces and everything between the arcs and leaves the Inside 50 stuff to the talls down there? Keeps him on the field more but also resting a kick or two off the play?
 
Barrels said:
Yeah, we got screwed on those Schneider, Dempster and Membrey deals...
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That's all you have , Lockett and Hall , please don't even try and compare them to your trio
 
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