Opinion Why are the interstate teams so bad? How do we fix them?

[kriles76]

This very sad thought bubble would have come nowhere near surfacing if Port had flogged WB.

Home ground advantage? Check

Opposition racked up more miles this final series than Neil Armstrong has ever done? Check

Opposition confined to quarters by SA govt. before game? Check

Mentally fragile club with a propensity for choking gags yet another final at home? Check

Really, OP?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Hence why free agency in afl is not right

Agree. Footballing states from which most of the elite players hail from attract all the talent back after being developed for a few years at whichever club drafts then. Otherwise, the club that drafts them has to pay overs to retain them, which hamstrings their own bid to attract talent due to salary cap pressures.

Biggeet beneficiaries clearly West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide and Port Adelaide as these teams in footballing states have to share the returning talent pool with far fewer rivals than Victorian sides do.

It really does require an enquiry as to the routine advantages received by WA and SA sides.

 

[LoungeLizard]

This very sad thought bubble would have come nowhere near surfacing if Port had flogged WB.

Home ground advantage? Check

Opposition racked up more miles than Neil Armstrong has ever done this final series? Check

Opposition confined to quarters by SA govt. before game? Check

Mentally fragile club with a propensity for choking gags yet another final at home? Check

Really, OP?

They don't even know who they are.

They want to be like Liverpool, no Collingwood etc.

Maybe if they had an identity and embraced it, their players might give a s**t.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Agree. Footballing states from which most of the elite players hail from attract all the talent back after being developed for a few years at whichever club drafts then. Otherwise, the club that drafts them has to pay overs to retain them, which hamstrings their own bid to attract talent due to salary cap pressures.

Biggeet beneficiaries clearly West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide and Port Adelaide as these teams in footballing states have to share the returning talent pool with far fewer rivals than Victorian sides do.

It really does require an enquiry as to the routine advantages received by WA and SA sides.

Yes because WC, Fremantle, Adelaide and Port Adelaide have recruited what big name free agents????

 

[tonygeeks]

Swings and roundabouts is a joke

I’m sure the reaction would be exactly the same if 2 vic teams had won flags in the last 15 years

BigFooty being the only place this even gets talked about tells you everything you need to know


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[falcons2]

Haven't read the whole thread but, this year 10 Vic based teams won 88 games and 5 draws. 8 non Vic teams 107 games and 1 draw. 6 of the top 11 non vic.
Your question should be why do the non-vics perform so well in the home and away then fail in finals?
I'm going to suggest the Vic teams do so well because they exist in such a tough market and it hardens them. 10 AFL, 1 NRL, 1 Union, 2 A-league, 2NBL, 2 Bigbash, the list goes on to the minor sports. Also in the last 15 years we have had 3 generational teams that just happen to all have been Victorian.
In the prelims, Geelong looked cooked, but Port - the list of superlatives for their ineptitude, just wow!

 

[Bostonian]

Because most of the superstars of the game are Victorian and most of them prefer to play in their home state.

 

[RichLeMonde]

This very sad thought bubble would have come nowhere near surfacing if Port had flogged WB.

Home ground advantage? Check

Opposition racked up more miles than Neil Armstrong has ever done this final series? Check

Opposition confined to quarters by SA govt. before game? Check

Mentally fragile club with a propensity for choking gags yet another final at home? Check

Really, OP?

To hear WC fans tell it, their players hopping on a plane for a few hours a week before the GF basically cripples them, which combined with sleeping in a hotel puts them at a 10% disadvantage on the big day.

Yet Richmond flew from GC to Adelaide the morning of the prelim last year, getting up at 4am, and still beat Port despite disrupted sleep and a long flight on match day.

It’s almost like the factor that decides the outcome of big finals is showing up and playing your best footy.

 

[doppleganger]

Yes because WC, Fremantle, Adelaide and Port Adelaide have recruited what big name free agents????

Not free agents, but Yeo, T.Kelly, Cripps decent pick-ups for the Eagles re WA kids who wanted to come home. Also Kennedy.

Freo 2021 list had N.Wilson, Lobb, Hamling, Colyer, Acres, Conca as WA boys who came home.

The QLD and NSW sides have a reason to complain...but as usual it is the WA/SA teams who are doing the whining.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Not free agents, but Yeo, T.Kelly, Cripps decent pick-ups for the Eagles re WA kids who wanted to come home. Also Kennedy.

Freo 2021 list had N.Wilson, Lobb, Hamling, Colyer, Acres, Conca as WA boys who came home.

The QLD and NSW sides have a reason to complain...but as usual it is the WA/SA teams who are doing the whining.

lol at listing Kennedy. If Judd left WC he never gets traded.

Look how many of those players were traded from Non Vic teams - Yeo, Wilson, Lobb. Other than Kelly which of those players are any good that came from Vic teams? They are generally players who are not wanted by their Vic teams anymore because they are not very good - Colyer, Acres, Conca

 

[LoungeLizard]

lol at listing Kennedy. If Judd left WC he never gets traded.

Look how many of those players were traded from Non Vic teams - Yeo, Wilson, Lobb. Other than Kelly which of those players are any good that came from Vic teams? They are generally players who are not wanted by their Vic teams anymore because they are not very good - Colyer, Acres, Conca

Other than medicine, irrigation, roads, education, what have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[Big Crow]

Much like the panic of the non-Victorian dominance of the naughties. sh*t comes and goes in waves. The reality is it's 3 maybe 4 (see how the Doggies go) great teams. The majority of whom had a stack of high draft picks (especially midfield and forward) and got lucky with some generational talent being there while they were sh*t, or in Geelong's case lucky with father sons.

The father son rule was and is completely cooked up in favour of Victorian sides. One of many example of the inbuilt bias in the AFL.

 

[wedgetail]

Other than medicine, irrigation, roads, education, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Brought peace?

no, wait

 

[The Airing of Grievances]

Freo, Crows, Gold Coast, GWS and Brissy should also work out why haven’t got it don’t the past 15 years, not rocket science

And maybe while they're at it, team up with Essendon, Carlton St Kilda, North and Melbourne( they haven't got it done yet just quietly) to help out with the answers. Apparently working it out should be real simple.

 

[LoungeLizard]

The father son rule was and is completely cooked up in favour of Victorian sides. One of many example of the inbuilt bias in the AFL.

Yeah they cooked it up in the 1940's just to stitch you up.

 

[The Airing of Grievances]

The grand final being played at the G does not matter. Interstate teams are struggling to make the grand final despite hosting plenty of home finals.

It’s a totally different argument.

Struggling to make the Grand Final. Really? In the books I've read interstate teams played in the GF in 2019, 2018, 2016, 2015,2014, 2013 2012 and 2007, being more than 50% of the GFs in the period arbitarily selected by the OP to emphasise his dubious contention. Even this year, many consider both Sydney and Brisbane to have been unfortunate losers and had those results gone the other way there would certainly be an interstate side in the GF if the Lions got up, and possibly had the Swans beaten GWS.

 

[Big Crow]

Yeah they cooked it up in the 1940's just to stitch you up.

Never made it relevant to the non-Victorian clubs, and when it became evident we were about to recruit a gun of our own through it they changed the rules. Cooked.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Get rid of father son rules. Is a nice part of afl but makes it too unfair these days

 

[LoungeLizard]

Never made it relevant to the non-Victorian clubs, and when it became evident we were about to recruit a gun of our own through it they changed the rules. Cooked.

You said they "cooked" it up

Well go do some research, it was cooked up in the 1940's.

You will change anything i say to suit yourself, but your 1st statement was soooooooooooooo wrong, i couldn't give a rats what you say from now on, you're just an Adelaide sook who thinks they are hard done by.

 

[kaiserchief13]

You said they "cooked" it up

Well go do some research, it was cooked up in the 1940's.

You will change anything i say to suit yourself, but your 1st statement was soooooooooooooo wrong, i couldn't give a rats what you say from now on, you're just an Adelaide sook who thinks they are hard done by.

Seek medical assistance

 

[LoungeLizard]

Seek medical assistance

My wife is a nurse, i will seek her out later.

A few of you people on here though should seek out a new sport.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

The father son rule was and is completely cooked up in favour of Victorian sides. One of many example of the inbuilt bias in the AFL.

Not really, it’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. It’s helped the Eagles and Brisbane more than its helped most Vic teams with Cousins and Brown playing big parts in premierships.

 

[scoman]

Get rid of father son rules. Is a nice part of afl but makes it too unfair these days

Just give it a few more years thanks. Brizzy looks to be getting one or two in coming years.

 

[Choogler]

Interstate teams coast through the season on home ground advantage only to get found out when it matters.

Nothing to do with where the grand final is played, which I’m sure is what this thread will turn into. It’s an easy excuse.

On one hand you say that interstate teams have a home ground advantage that gets them into the finals, and then you deny that the MCG offers Vic teams any advantage in the GFs. Do you know how hypocritical that sounds.
My personal opinion is that it is not so much the MCG ground itself that provides the advantage to the Vic sides, but the better access to tickets that provides the Vic sides with the opportunity to have majority support on the big day. AFL memberships (mostly held by Vics), and the recycling of unsold interstate club's ticket allocations invariably see those tickets go to Victorian clubs supporters which results in overwhelming support for the Vic clubs.
Hawthorn's 3 peat was achieved on their home ground against interstate clubs and in two of those years they finished below the team they beat. In one of those years they were soundly beaten away in an earlier final by the team they ended up beating in the GF. To say the MCG isn't an advantage to Vic teams is disingenuous

 

[Choogler]

Out of the last 15 years only two non Victorian teams have won the premiership

Why are the Melbourne based teams so much more dominant?

How do we help/fix the interstate teams?

How many of those Vic teams have won a Premiership anywhere but on their home ground? By my reckoning Richmond (2020), WB (2016) and I exclude Geelong because they play all their "big" games at the MCG. 7 of those wins by Vic clubs have been against non-Vic clubs.
BTW, it ain't the physical ground that provides the advantage, it's the overwhelming support the Vic clubs have through easier access for Vic supporter to tickets... that should never be underestimated! It is why the Brisbane 3-peat outstrips the Hawks 3-peat.