List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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General Giant said:
The media were running with Ward was out of contract, while Davis was signed, for a while this year. They seem to struggle outside the fishbowl.
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The two biggest stories they talk about this year have been Toby's antics and Cog's injury issues. Don't hear much about how much of a success this year was considering the circumstances this team was put in to keep the season alive.
 

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the big lebowski said:
It’s been on our and a few other draft boards. The rumour was you said no to our pick 20 this year and our first next year, for 2 this year and your second rounder next year.

So if it went ahead I assume you wouldn’t be adding the second rounder next year.
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We'd be idiots to do that trade. Rightly said no.
 
the big lebowski said:
Thoughts on the rumours that North are trying to get pick 2 for our 2022 first and pick 20 this year?
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Interesting offer.
It is certainly a fair trade.
I guess whether we took it would depend on what we thought of Callahan ( or whoever else they may take with 2)
I d like to see us just take 2.
 
GWS Goose said:
Interesting offer.
It is certainly a fair trade.
I guess whether we took it would depend on what we thought of Callahan ( or whoever else they may take with 2)
I d like to see us just take 2.
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It’s not fair at all, it’s fricken daft.

We have Pick 2 now, it’s definite. North could easily rise next year, they have a good coach and some good young talent. Why give up a definite Pick 2 for a possible Pick 1-6 and a Pick 23??

No thanks.
 

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Andre the Giant said:
It’s not fair at all, it’s fricken daft.

We have Pick 2 now, it’s definite. North could easily rise next year, they have a good coach and some good young talent. Why give up a definite Pick 2 for a possible Pick 1-6 and a Pick 23??

No thanks.
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It is pick 2, but will be by luck of the draw, pick 4.
It is more than likely that North will be in the bottom 4 next year, you get the premium of 20 as payment for the risk they rise.
They're is a reasonable chance it is 1 or 2 next year.
It is a fair trade.
 
GWS Goose said:
It is pick 2, but will be by luck of the draw, pick 4.
It is more than likely that North will be in the bottom 4 next year, you get the premium of 20 as payment for the risk they rise.
They're is a reasonable chance it is 1 or 2 next year.
It is a fair trade.
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We got one over with the Pies thinking they knew the future.
Would hate for us to screw it up thinking we can do the same.
 
Giant Strides said:
Yes, I wouldn't mind trying Flynn at centre bounces, then moves into the F50 to play forward. Briggs comes on to ruck around the grounds.

Notwithstanding Zach Sproule's good play in the latter part of season 2021, using Flynn in that manner, plus Hogan as another contested marking forward, then HH (or Zach or ToJ - which is probably why ToJ is expendable) as the roaming KPF gives us as good a set-up as we'll get with who we've got on the list.
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As a matter of interest, will Finn Callaghan play forward next year ( as a medium forward, maybe like Bailey Fritsch).
 
I wouldn’t trade pick two

I’d keep it and get best available. We aren’t a destination club that’s gets mature talent coming in

We are a club that uses top end talent to develop good players. Even if those players don’t play for us we often get reasonable returns and keep the players we want

Take the pick
 
Cameron_Jezza said:
As a matter of interest, will Finn Callaghan play forward next year ( as a medium forward, maybe like Bailey Fritsch).
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Probably depends on how ready he is when he arrives. His development has been heavily disrupted these last two years, but if he does debut, I would expect a high half forward or medium forward role. He probably needs to work on defence. It would probably need some injuries to get a wing or midfield role. Or a brilliant early showing!
 
GWS Goose said:
It is pick 2, but will be by luck of the draw, pick 4.
It is more than likely that North will be in the bottom 4 next year, you get the premium of 20 as payment for the risk they rise.
They're is a reasonable chance it is 1 or 2 next year.
It is a fair trade.
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I’d want two top 10 picks for pick 2 ... so north’s 2022 first and pick 8-10 this year
 
GWS Goose said:
It is pick 2, but will be by luck of the draw, pick 4.
It is more than likely that North will be in the bottom 4 next year, you get the premium of 20 as payment for the risk they rise.
They're is a reasonable chance it is 1 or 2 next year.
It is a fair trade.
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Only if you have a massive appetite for risk. There is always a premium applied for taking on risk, but pick 20 is not a great premium given we're talking about losing the second pick in the draft and gambling on what we'd get back.

It could just as easily be pick 8 to 10 next year. Would that still be fair? It seems like you're allocated a top two or three value to North's 2022 pick when there's zero guarantee that'll be the case.
 
100% what dlanod said. That swap would be a big risk for us.

GWS took little risk with the pick swap with Collingwood (a #24 & a #30 for even a #18 would have been OK given our hand last year, but we were betting more likely to be #8-12). Collingwood took all the risk, betting that their pick would be later rather than earlier, and reap instantaneous value from getting two guys for a year longer.

Such a swap with North could work, if they finished last to third last, with better options available. But wouldn't work for us outside that. Ask Norths the same question - would they swap their pick for what they've offered (or slightly more) - the answer with be 'no' preceded by several epithets.

If GWS were to trade pick #2 (and I'm not an advocate), it would need to be something like Hawks this year and next first rounders, plus one of their second rounders, to ensure we came out on the best side of the deal. They know what they're getting with pick #2 - we don't know what we're getting next year. Or perhaps their pick #5 plus #21 & #24 this year. (That would still get GWS a Gibcus, Amiss, Andrew or Rachele - all useful additions to our squad), plus pay for Fahey and get someone in the second round.)

But I'd just prefer to keep #2 and get Callaghan. If we want to get creative, use #13 for that.
 
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I'd trade Pick 2 for Tarryn Thomas and a future first if they're willing 🥰 🎉
 
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I'd trade Pick 2 for Tarryn Thomas and a future first if they're willing 🥰 🎉
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Would GWS be more inclined to trade down this year than risk taking a punt on North rising. Would Hawks pick 5 and a very early second for pick 5 be a better offer than Norths offer ? (pick 5 and 20 (as it stands) for pick 2 ? If you like Gibcus he'd still be there for you to take.
GWS would have to be drunk to take Norths offer in my view. With a good run with injuries they'll push for the top 8 if a few teams slide.
 
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