Reportedly GWS contract offer wasn't what Lobb thought he was worth
Recommitted Rory Lobb [trade is off, staying at Fremantle]
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Reportedly GWS contract offer wasn't what Lobb thought he was worth
Oh definitely, and Smith was just too good to turn down tbh. He was 500K a year and cost nothing in draft picks, and just finished 4th in our B+F in his first year at the club.
Clark was always just on the cusp, always in the emergencies, and even with our best team on the park, was chosen for the first half dozen games because we just wanted him in the team. Once he had his 'mare playing against Sydney in his preferred position down back, he was dropped and then couldn't force his way back in/past those aforementioned 3 players.
Honestly, I really have loved the kid since he was drafted (and even before). When we called his name out with Pick 15, I couldn't believe that we got such a steal and drafted the player we wanted, as he was projected by a lot of draft boards to go in the Top 10.
Once he started playing in the pre-season, and then the subsequent 17 games for the rest of the year, I was so excited and thought we had a generational talent on our hands. He then injured his shoulder, missed finals selection, and then took a while to get back the next year with multiple niggles from not being able to train as much as he would like. That combined with Scarlett's pigheadedness and refusal to back the kid in because...reasons, meant we didn't see much of him in 2020 - where others like Simpson went past him at vital times.
This year was a mess with COVID, as last year was, and while he definitely showed his love for the club/had dinner with Sel and his wife every week, I certainly think the whole Scarlett debacle knocked his confidence around a bit.
With that said, I think he could probably train harder, but being a kid with his lax persona, halfway across the country while we're going through a once in a lifetime crisis, is enough to affect anyone's football - let alone someone who has been barred from playing in their rightful position because the line coach is a stubborn prick.
I think with his head clear, and a license to run and provide offensive flair as a winger/rebounding half back, he'll offer those same exciting attack traits that we saw in 2019 in his first year. People forget, he won the GF sprint in 2019 - he's that quick.
One last thing, there's a lot who have said it's Clark's fault re: the whole Scarlett debacle, but I truly believe that was part of the reason why he was let go, once Hocking came back into the club. There was obviously a lot of tension around it, and Scarlo had far more say on team selection than any of us would like - as evidenced by Kolo being selected every week, and Scarlett making it no secret that he was one of his favourites (even though he should have been the 20-22nd player selected every week).
I also think that Clark has some responsibility in this, in that he probably didn't respond with a determined resolve, but rather, gave up a little and let others who were more hungry than him like Holmes and Close, go past him. I don't blame him completely for that though, as it's been a tough couple of years for all young kids away from home. I was pissed at the rumours of him already moving his stuff home, but now I just think we've already told him he can go home because a deal will get done, and the rest is just grandstanding - so I'm not so annoyed anymore.
Sorry for the long-winded response, but thought it might offer an insight into why some of us value him as we do, now that Scarlett is gone and there's a chance for him to be that player he was pre-draft/his debut year. You guys obviously see that same potential, which is why you've offered him 4 years and are prepared to give up a decent pick for him.
I reckon he'll be an absolute jet in the right environment, and I think clear air under a new coach who has a mantra of playing kids as part of a rebuild, is the perfect place for someone like the free-spirited person that Clark is - to let his natural footy ability shine through - without the constraints of being overly defensive in a more settled/rigorous defensive-minded outfit.
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What did Freo stump up for him in the trade a few years ago? He’s done nothing to increase his value since then and is 29.
Lobb is more valuable to the Dockers than the Giants.
Because of that their is a big gap between both parties.
I believe Bell and don’t think the deal will get done.
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Do you know the answer to my question?
Rory Lobb and Rory Lobb AFL Stats Comparison
Rory Lobb and Rory Lobb AFL Stats Comparison.
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Stat wise his numbers are about the same. Less Hit outs at the Dockers but more goals and possessions.
The fact he is 2 years older should decease his value.
Structure wise Lobb is insurance if both Meek and Darcy get injured.
Giants F2 and Fremantle paying part of his wage isn’t something I would do.
DRAGONS FFC 13+F2 = Lobb+19
You could turn the 19 into a stack of currency on draft day.
You could turn the 19 into a stack of currency on draft day.
Agree he hasn't gone up in value.
Except to the Dockers. He's probably a pick in the 30s without our horrible list management.
This should not be getting put through.
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I guess beggars can be choosers
Not sure Fremantle are begging for this trade. They definitely shouldn't be begging for getting in the shitter, fatter more injury prone McGovern.
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Someone with a brain being rationale.
Yes Lobb is s**t, most freo fans will are frustrated with his output… but we structurally need him this year, and we don’t need to salary dump him as we are flush with money given Cerra is now gone.
Uncontracted if Lobb wanted a trade - be lucky to get a pick in the 30/40’s. Contracted for 2 more… well pony up - so when a freo fans asks for 13 from GWS or something high - there’s your justification.
Ohh and there’s a thing called a contract which depending if you’re a prictorian or ‘the rest’ means no different to what that smug Wells is holding freo to re: Clark to (and fair enough).. So Bell is just doing the same
As a freo fan - as much as a pea heart Lobb is, structurally we need him for one more year (hopefully we finally draft a top forward) then fc@k him off
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2 1st rounders for Lobb, a 1st and 2 3rds.
So, using current picks this year that would be:
GWS
Out: Pick 2, 13
In: Lobb, 8, 61, F3 (Carlton)
I'd actually take that if I was Freo.
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His stats and attitude mirror Rory Lobbs to be fair
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No, he isn’t that good, but then again I don’t think Lobb is that good either.
In all honesty if I was in the spot Freo are in id be all in hard for Coniglio. Re jig the contract and front load him this year to keep space for Neale going forward
Given Freo don’t want to do that then they really are locked in to getting a like for like swap. This is the best option really and I’d argue the only one. I can’t think of anyone else doing the rounds is all. This is the beggars trade only
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A 2nd rounder. For a Freo I’d rather McGovern. Different list positions
As I said if I was Freo it’d be a non discussion. I’d be all in on Coniglio. Clark can get stuffed etc
I'd rather be punched in the face than have Brackets McGovern join Freo.
The only thing more bloated than his jumper is his contract.
Good insight, great to hear your views, as a Freo supporter I’m not that keen, I would rather go to the draft.Oh definitely, and Smith was just too good to turn down tbh. He was 500K a year and cost nothing in draft picks, and just finished 4th in our B+F in his first year at the club.
Clark was always just on the cusp, always in the emergencies, and even with our best team on the park, was chosen for the first half dozen games because we just wanted him in the team. Once he had his 'mare playing against Sydney in his preferred position down back, he was dropped and then couldn't force his way back in/past those aforementioned 3 players.
Honestly, I really have loved the kid since he was drafted (and even before). When we called his name out with Pick 15, I couldn't believe that we got such a steal and drafted the player we wanted, as he was projected by a lot of draft boards to go in the Top 10.
Once he started playing in the pre-season, and then the subsequent 17 games for the rest of the year, I was so excited and thought we had a generational talent on our hands. He then injured his shoulder, missed finals selection, and then took a while to get back the next year with multiple niggles from not being able to train as much as he would like. That combined with Scarlett's pigheadedness and refusal to back the kid in because...reasons, meant we didn't see much of him in 2020 - where others like Simpson went past him at vital times.
This year was a mess with COVID, as last year was, and while he definitely showed his love for the club/had dinner with Sel and his wife every week, I certainly think the whole Scarlett debacle knocked his confidence around a bit.
With that said, I think he could probably train harder, but being a kid with his lax persona, halfway across the country while we're going through a once in a lifetime crisis, is enough to affect anyone's football - let alone someone who has been barred from playing in their rightful position because the line coach is a stubborn prick.
I think with his head clear, and a license to run and provide offensive flair as a winger/rebounding half back, he'll offer those same exciting attack traits that we saw in 2019 in his first year. People forget, he won the GF sprint in 2019 - he's that quick.
One last thing, there's a lot who have said it's Clark's fault re: the whole Scarlett debacle, but I truly believe that was part of the reason why he was let go, once Hocking came back into the club. There was obviously a lot of tension around it, and Scarlo had far more say on team selection than any of us would like - as evidenced by Kolo being selected every week, and Scarlett making it no secret that he was one of his favourites (even though he should have been the 20-22nd player selected every week).
I also think that Clark has some responsibility in this, in that he probably didn't respond with a determined resolve, but rather, gave up a little and let others who were more hungry than him like Holmes and Close, go past him. I don't blame him completely for that though, as it's been a tough couple of years for all young kids away from home. I was pissed at the rumours of him already moving his stuff home, but now I just think we've already told him he can go home because a deal will get done, and the rest is just grandstanding - so I'm not so annoyed anymore.
Sorry for the long-winded response, but thought it might offer an insight into why some of us value him as we do, now that Scarlett is gone and there's a chance for him to be that player he was pre-draft/his debut year. You guys obviously see that same potential, which is why you've offered him 4 years and are prepared to give up a decent pick for him.
I reckon he'll be an absolute jet in the right environment, and I think clear air under a new coach who has a mantra of playing kids as part of a rebuild, is the perfect place for someone like the free-spirited person that Clark is - to let his natural footy ability shine through - without the constraints of being overly defensive in a more settled/rigorous defensive-minded outfit.
I hope Clark stays as well, I think he's 21 and shown enough and is what we need, with Kelly on board as coach should suit him, as they were similar at this stage of their career.
Would Freo and he's just swap cognilio and Lobb, fresh start for both is required to get the best out of their footy
Would Freo and he's just swap cognilio and Lobb, fresh start for both is required to get the best out of their footy
zeggie
You can't kick goals when you're unconscious.
Where do i sign, lmao
I dont think this deal will be done, by the sounds both club are too far away in terms of trade and the salary is an issue
Not sure if any Melbourne clubs would be keen due to the salary
North NO CCJ and Goldstein + 2 other young tall forwards with ruck options (And Larkey)
Pies No cap room and no need with Grundy and Cameron
Hawks Prefer Ladhams and too old for the list profile they want
Carlton Pittonet and TDK for ruck and then Curnow and McKay forward
Tigers Soldo and Nank 2 rick set up with Lynch and Reiwoldt forward
St Kilda Ryder and Marshall 2 ruck set up and will trade for Xerri
Bombers Draper and then Wright the chop out option + Bryan as back up
Dogs Martin and English with Sweet as back up
Geelong Stanley, Ceglar (Likely) and then Ratugolea
Demons Gawn, Jackson + Daw and Brown for back up
The Lions would be an option but that doesnt work if his GF is working in Melbourne and the salary
I feel all parties are in a corner with no other options so it is either the Dockers lose out draft wise and paying part of his salary or have to honour the contract. As a Giants supporter it is a bit like a revenge for the McCarthy saga
Not sure if any Melbourne clubs would be keen due to the salary
North NO CCJ and Goldstein + 2 other young tall forwards with ruck options (And Larkey)
Pies No cap room and no need with Grundy and Cameron
Hawks Prefer Ladhams and too old for the list profile they want
Carlton Pittonet and TDK for ruck and then Curnow and McKay forward
Tigers Soldo and Nank 2 rick set up with Lynch and Reiwoldt forward
St Kilda Ryder and Marshall 2 ruck set up and will trade for Xerri
Bombers Draper and then Wright the chop out option + Bryan as back up
Dogs Martin and English with Sweet as back up
Geelong Stanley, Ceglar (Likely) and then Ratugolea
Demons Gawn, Jackson + Daw and Brown for back up
The Lions would be an option but that doesnt work if his GF is working in Melbourne and the salary
I feel all parties are in a corner with no other options so it is either the Dockers lose out draft wise and paying part of his salary or have to honour the contract. As a Giants supporter it is a bit like a revenge for the McCarthy saga
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Oh definitely, and Smith was just too good to turn down tbh. He was 500K a year and cost nothing in draft picks, and just finished 4th in our B+F in his first year at the club.
Clark was always just on the cusp, always in the emergencies, and even with our best team on the park, was chosen for the first half dozen games because we just wanted him in the team. Once he had his 'mare playing against Sydney in his preferred position down back, he was dropped and then couldn't force his way back in/past those aforementioned 3 players.
Honestly, I really have loved the kid since he was drafted (and even before). When we called his name out with Pick 15, I couldn't believe that we got such a steal and drafted the player we wanted, as he was projected by a lot of draft boards to go in the Top 10.
Once he started playing in the pre-season, and then the subsequent 17 games for the rest of the year, I was so excited and thought we had a generational talent on our hands. He then injured his shoulder, missed finals selection, and then took a while to get back the next year with multiple niggles from not being able to train as much as he would like. That combined with Scarlett's pigheadedness and refusal to back the kid in because...reasons, meant we didn't see much of him in 2020 - where others like Simpson went past him at vital times.
This year was a mess with COVID, as last year was, and while he definitely showed his love for the club/had dinner with Sel and his wife every week, I certainly think the whole Scarlett debacle knocked his confidence around a bit.
With that said, I think he could probably train harder, but being a kid with his lax persona, halfway across the country while we're going through a once in a lifetime crisis, is enough to affect anyone's football - let alone someone who has been barred from playing in their rightful position because the line coach is a stubborn prick.
I think with his head clear, and a license to run and provide offensive flair as a winger/rebounding half back, he'll offer those same exciting attack traits that we saw in 2019 in his first year. People forget, he won the GF sprint in 2019 - he's that quick.
One last thing, there's a lot who have said it's Clark's fault re: the whole Scarlett debacle, but I truly believe that was part of the reason why he was let go, once Hocking came back into the club. There was obviously a lot of tension around it, and Scarlo had far more say on team selection than any of us would like - as evidenced by Kolo being selected every week, and Scarlett making it no secret that he was one of his favourites (even though he should have been the 20-22nd player selected every week).
I also think that Clark has some responsibility in this, in that he probably didn't respond with a determined resolve, but rather, gave up a little and let others who were more hungry than him like Holmes and Close, go past him. I don't blame him completely for that though, as it's been a tough couple of years for all young kids away from home. I was pissed at the rumours of him already moving his stuff home, but now I just think we've already told him he can go home because a deal will get done, and the rest is just grandstanding - so I'm not so annoyed anymore.
Sorry for the long-winded response, but thought it might offer an insight into why some of us value him as we do, now that Scarlett is gone and there's a chance for him to be that player he was pre-draft/his debut year. You guys obviously see that same potential, which is why you've offered him 4 years and are prepared to give up a decent pick for him.
I reckon he'll be an absolute jet in the right environment, and I think clear air under a new coach who has a mantra of playing kids as part of a rebuild, is the perfect place for someone like the free-spirited person that Clark is - to let his natural footy ability shine through - without the constraints of being overly defensive in a more settled/rigorous defensive-minded outfit.
Could you perhaps provide a little more detail?
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