Opinion Non-Crows AFL 6: This Is Getting Cruel

[FR0GGY]

I never said that either

Not in so few words no.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Watching the Nicks presser is concerning. The guy just looked like a bloke who had given his best shot and still come up short. He looked and sounded beaten.
He struggled to answer the questions and simply waffled ongoing "motherhood" statements. I'm not suggesting he was being evasive or deflective. He just didn't have the answers. And like a bloke who doesn't have the clarity of the problem, he provided a very unconvincing press conference which will have done nothing positive for the team, the fans or his future. This was the concern for me as I've been one who was patient and understanding of the need for time in a rebuild.
But I've moved significantly now having seen and listened tonight.

 

[ABAB]

Watching the Nicks presser is concerning. The guy just looked like a bloke who had given his best shot and still come up short. He looked and sounded beaten.
He struggled to answer the questions and simply waffled ongoing "motherhood" statements. I'm not suggesting he was being evasive or deflective. He just didn't have the answers. And like a bloke who doesn't have the clarity of the problem, he provided a very unconvincing press conference which will have done nothing positive for the team, the fans or his future. This was the concern for me as I've been one who was patient and understanding of the need for time in a rebuild.
But I've moved significantly now having seen and listened tonight.

Let hope it's different internally otherwise definitely sign of Hinkley who is a good player manager but shit senior coach and we all know what happened there......

 

[BunjiMC]

The AFL is corrupt in every possible way.

Hope the AFL gets sued for the concussion issue and goes belly up.

I was hoping they would go broke during Covid... sadly it has just made them mote money hungry and corrupt.

 

[Shuestar13]

Watching the Nicks presser is concerning. The guy just looked like a bloke who had given his best shot and still come up short. He looked and sounded beaten.
He struggled to answer the questions and simply waffled ongoing "motherhood" statements. I'm not suggesting he was being evasive or deflective. He just didn't have the answers. And like a bloke who doesn't have the clarity of the problem, he provided a very unconvincing press conference which will have done nothing positive for the team, the fans or his future. This was the concern for me as I've been one who was patient and understanding of the need for time in a rebuild.
But I've moved significantly now having seen and listened tonight.

I haven’t seen the presser, but as an outsider (well one who does like the AFC and wants it to succeed) I think the time has probably come now. He took the job in trying circumstances, but I think performed admirably during the initial period, clearly with a focus of bringing the club together. The environment is obviously a lot better than it was, evidence by the amount of young players committing to the club etc and whilst there has been some growth, it’s now Year 4 and after such a promising preseason, to be as patchy as you have been in the first fortnight is a major worry.

Yes, he has been hamstrung by the list, lack of depth in the midfield etc but he has also been given a significant amount more support (in terms of quality personnel) than his predecessors. The lack of development of some players, selection, lack of development of gamestyle is showing.

He put the hard yards in, but unfortunately nows time of results… There would be a lot of applicants out there who would love to get their hands on Adelaide’s list so to speak. I think it might be time for someone else…

 

[WetCrow1991]

I haven’t seen the presser, but as an outsider (well one who does like the AFC and wants it to succeed) I think the time has probably come now. He took the job in trying circumstances, but I think performed admirably during the initial period, clearly with a focus of bringing the club together. The environment is obviously a lot better than it was, evidence by the amount of young players committing to the club etc and whilst there has been some growth, it’s now Year 4 and after such a promising preseason, to be as patchy as you have been in the first fortnight is a major worry.

Yes, he has been hamstrung by the list, lack of depth in the midfield etc but he has also been given a significant amount more support (in terms of quality personnel) than his predecessors. The lack of development of some players, selection, lack of development of gamestyle is showing.

He put the hard yards in, but unfortunately nows time of results… There would be a lot of applicants out there who would love to get their hands on Adelaide’s list so to speak. I think it might be time for someone else…

I think he has gotten off lightly for 2020. When the Covid break happened it was very obvious that some teams maintained their fitness standards and some teams did not. Adelaide were the latter, arguably the worst. Crows were a kick after the siren away from winning in round 1, then the worst team in the league after the Covid break. That's on him having control of the team.

 

[rocket18]

For all of those watching North beat Freo, does anyone still want to argue that coaches don't make a difference?

I'm so sick of the excuse of the list being used to give Nicks a free pass, North already look better than us after only two weeks under Clarko.

Was thinking the same thing, the Saints seem to be going better too.

You might be one of the last people still clinging to the Nicks bandwagon

Only until the club tells him not to.

 

[Shuestar13]

I think he has gotten off lightly for 2020. When the Covid break happened it was very obvious that some teams maintained their fitness standards and some teams did not. Adelaide were the latter, arguably the worst. Crows were a kick after the siren away from winning in round 1, then the worst team in the league after the Covid break. That's on him having control of the team.

I get it totally, a lot of our supporters pinpoint the COVID break as the beginning of the end of our period of finals contention, the first hub was a disaster etc. I think Adelaide didn’t handle it well also. But not helped by a rookie coach, after having just one preseason in charge of a depleted and fractured club (with not a great deal of strong off-field support). There were a lot of factors.

I think he has tried his best, but that’s not good enough, I get it. I think there is a lot to like about your list, call me an extreme optimist , it may be time for someone else with a bit more tactical nous, a fresh approach with a game plan suitable to the list you have and with the development/man management skills. Easier said than done, of course.

I get the sense Olsen will not tolerate another season down in the bottom four, if there isn’t a marked improvement then it will be time for change.

 

[Tas]

The AFL is corrupt in every possible way.

Hope the AFL gets sued for the concussion issue and goes belly up.

It will not cost them a cent because they weren't being negligent about concussion, not a lot was known back then. They have professional indemnity insurance, will not even have to pay the legal fees and realistically the insurers may opt to settle before a court result if they think it will be cheaper in the long run.

 

[Tas]

We could certainly have had both Rankine and Phillipou. There were multiple scenarios. We chose not to.

These scenarios have the benefit of hindsight, could have probably got Rankine for a future 1st and kept your pick but the club wouldn't have known for sure where Phillipou was going in the draft. Had GWS taken Wardlaw, he would have been my next best to take after Sheezel, I rated him highly and wouldn't have been surprised if he went before your pick.

On balance, you have to weigh it up against the kind of talent that is available in this year's draft, if using a future first on Rankine costs say someone like Moir, the conversation in a few years time may well be very different.

 

[FR0GGY]

It will not cost them a cent because they weren't being negligent about concussion, not a lot was known back then. They have professional indemnity insurance, will not even have to pay the legal fees and realistically the insurers may opt to settle before a court result if they think it will be cheaper in the long run.

The premiums will go through the roof.

 

[Tas]

The premiums will go through the roof.

Yeah, definitely. But it in terms of overall expenditure I don't think insurance is a massive component in general or will be after the concussion outcomes. A bit like getting health insurance vs life insurance as a smoker, there isn't a difference in health insurance premiums for a smoker, there is more for life insurance. If you get cancer you are most likely going to end up at a government funded hospital so that doesn't really impact private hospitals, but if you die life insurer has to pay out... and your odds of dying younger go up quite high as a smoker, premiums are still relatively affordable because the risk is spread.

I think concussion risk is spread like that. I think they will fight the Ablett one, he went into boxing after the AFL and was an alleged drug addict, will be hard to pin all his mental problems now on the period he played in the VFL/AFL. Other cases are more obvious and I think settling most of them will cost less than the lawyer fees of fighting it in court.

 

[BACCS]

At this point I'd argue that anyone who claims Nicks can coach is being disingenuous and trolling

That’s a bit ridiculous. I have my doubts that he can take us to the next level, but I also think he’s been very good at building strong relationships between players and an environment that they want to stay in, even though the wins aren’t there yet. That’s something even our more successful on field coaches weren’t great at.

 

[BACCS]

Watching the Nicks presser is concerning. The guy just looked like a bloke who had given his best shot and still come up short. He looked and sounded beaten.
He struggled to answer the questions and simply waffled ongoing "motherhood" statements. I'm not suggesting he was being evasive or deflective. He just didn't have the answers. And like a bloke who doesn't have the clarity of the problem, he provided a very unconvincing press conference which will have done nothing positive for the team, the fans or his future. This was the concern for me as I've been one who was patient and understanding of the need for time in a rebuild.
But I've moved significantly now having seen and listened tonight.

The first half changed my views significantly. We can’t be regressing like that in year 4 of the rebuild.

 

[BACCS]

Surely Broad is just getting an automatic 3+ weeks? I’ve seen some media outlets talk up like he may only get 2-3

 

[GreyCrow]

That’s a bit ridiculous. I have my doubts that he can take us to the next level, but I also think he’s been very good at building strong relationships between players and an environment that they want to stay in, even though the wins aren’t there yet. That’s something even our more successful on field coaches weren’t great at.

But this reads like an assistant coach resume - so the original claim you responded to is correct

 

[BACCS]

But this reads like an assistant coach resume - so the original claim you responded to is correct

Well yeah and that’s why I’m saying I don’t think he can carry us to the next step with this group. For a mod to say people are trolling if they like Nicks though seems pretty inappropriate.

 

[Crow till I die]

Surely Broad is just getting an automatic 3+ weeks? I’ve seen some media outlets talk up like he may only get 2-3

Whateley, edmund etc no doubt..the same ones telling us not to appeal mcadam's ban

 

[Redline]

Surely Broad is just getting an automatic 3+ weeks? I’ve seen some media outlets talk up like he may only get 2-3

Stupid tackle. You haven't been able to tackle like that for years. Has to get three weeks.

 

[MatthewB]

Surely Broad is just getting an automatic 3+ weeks? I’ve seen some media outlets talk up like he may only get 2-3

you forget, he plays for a big VFL club

 

[pjcrows]

How's Barrett here blatantly muddying the waters (basically lying) on whether or not the ball was out of play before the siren. We have eyes and ears, Damien. Even Tony Jones can see it. But Barrett - "gee it's really tough to know". With pressure from the rest of the panel, he concedes it was probably a free kick, with indignation.

Good boy, Damien. You know where your bread is buttered.

 

[footy4ever]

Where were you when you heard the ‘WHUMP’ of all the Port Power clan being smacked down to earth yesterday?

 

[Crow till I die]

Where were you when you heard the ‘WHUMP’ of all the Port Power clan being smacked down to earth yesterday?

In the western stand watching my team getting belted

 

[Bearded Clam]

How's Barrett here blatantly muddying the waters (basically lying) on whether or not the ball was out of play before the siren. We have eyes and ears, Damien. Even Tony Jones can see it. But Barrett - "gee it's really tough to know". With pressure from the rest of the panel, he concedes it was probably a free kick, with indignation.

Good boy, Damien. You know where your bread is buttered.

Wow… that was a blatant kick directly to the boundary. The North player had no other intention whatsoever and the ball clearly crossed the line BEFORE the siren sounded..

only a complete and utter moron would try and argue otherwise..

Freo completely robbed… oh, wait, sorry, it’s Freo.. interstate club... what was I thinking… need to bitch slap myself.

“move along.. nothing to see here”..

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

So pissweak Kornes-Francis who hold 17 clubs and their players to account silent on the embarrassment of round 1 premiers and the round 1 Brownlow Norm Smith Nobel prize winning JFH completely spudding up