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Bump. Let's pay further tribute to the great man, now that he is reaching 400 games. #SP400

Fair enough, 5 years later.

Long-time member, first time positing in a long while. Something has me puzzled - Why we're Essendon so highly fancied before Round 1? This isn't a "hindsight hero" call, or an attempt to "stick it up" the Bombers or sink the boots in. I wondered this when Mick Malthouse tipped the Don's to win...

Why can't Treloar and/or Stephenson have been at fault in their own way too? To me it sounds just as much like they're immature and can't accept feedback and criticism as much as anything else.

It wasn't put in nearly such extreme terms, and wasn't the reason. The media are still choosing to frame it that way though, because it makes for more of a sexy scandal.

Buckley confirmed in far less sensational terms that it was a factor that was discussed. I'd be more surprised if it wasn't discussed, TBH. Pretty tenuous grounds to sue, I'd imagine. Treloar is still earning $750K plus per year for the foreseeable future, and Collingwood don't have to keep him...

It's not the reason. They've said it was a factor that they addressed, which is fair enough, considering the couple have a young kid, and Treloar has had mental and physical struggles in recent years.

It sounds like you're choosing to interpret it a particular way. That's fine, too. Buckley and the club have their perspective, and you as an outsider have yours. Perhaps there isn't a "hostile environment" to address?

Buckley fully addressed that. Read the quotes in the article on the AFL website.

I would suggest you re-read the quotes again.

It was direct quotes from a radio interview. There wasn't really much blaming happening.

I feel like they can/should play with: C - Bailey Smith - Jack Macrae - Lachie Hunter R - Tim English - Marcus Bontempelli - Adam Treloar I - Stefan Martin (Ruck) - Josh Dunkley (Centre) - Tom Liberatore (Rover) - Caleb Daniel (Wing, less of a defensive liability if used there)

The quotes from Buckley's interview this morning published on the AFL website today are actually very fair and reasonable IMO. He acknowledged the club's mistakes in the process, while also clarifying the club's perspective, without "biting back" in an emotive or vitriolic manner. Whether you...

Exactly. It has never made any logical sense.

Yes. Get rid of the PSD, Rookie Draft and Rookie Lists though. One National Draft with 5 picks per team per year (for players who have never been on an AFL list before only) should be sufficient. I mainly feel that free agency should be free-er, and uncontracted players shouldn't be tradeable.

Good on them, I suppose.

Not going by this and other threads, and the media's reaction.

Eh, I don't even take any notice of what Eddie McGuire says or does.

I didn't say that. There does seem to be a much higher volume of non-Collingwood people upset about this than Collingwood fans, though.

Come on now, it's not that serious. I hope you're as moralistic and such a human rights activist outside of professional athletes getting traded to another team too.

Or they could have just miscalculated, without any attempted cover-up. Mistakes happen, some unforseen things happen, and so on. Why does everyone instantly assume everything in the AFL is some organised crime style deception?

I've completely accepted it, can see the reasons for it, and how it can make us a better side in 2021. I don't feel like I'm "owed an explanation", and there's not some collective group-think among the supporters, either. I'm an adult who is capable of forming my own opinions and conclusions...

I don't really care if they do. I also feel like they eventually can grow and develop a club just like everyone else did once upon a time.

Non-Collingwood supporters are far more aggrieved and up in arms about this than actual Collingwood supporters are. Why?

The Pies have had a bad injury run in pretty much every year of Buckley's tenure...

Depends on their standing within the group, the mental make-up of the remaining players, and how it is handled and managed by the non-playing staff. It feels like through trades, delistings, and retirements, Collingwood has consciously and deliberately removed those who aren't physically or...

So you're agreeing that Sydney are as much a spoon contender as the others then?

So any criticism seems to involve changing the past, prior to the trade period. We were where we were by that stage, for better or worse. Rewinding to the start of the trade period, what would you have done differently from a Collingwood perspective, in the situation you were in? Would you have...

The truth. English is still woefully underdeveloped physically for his role, and Martin is cooked.

To be honest, I couldn't care less what spin the media or the club put on it. I'm not sure why opposition supporters would either. I can see what the objective was, and I'm comfortable with the outcome. I can foresee a way that it could make us a better side going forward, too. IMO, it's not...