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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    Agree with the first bit, not so much the last bit. Don't think other clubs have done much better draft wise. The big reason some of those clubs like Geelong and Sydney haven't bottomed out is they keep faith with mature players and make the young blokes really earn their spots, just like I'm...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    I don't think that is completely the case _Mike_. I think talent development is actually one of his strengths. I think the main problem is his timing expectations are often out of kilter. Take the Stringer issue for instance. By all reports he was behaving like an immature idiot back in 2017...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    I would argue all those players still currently offer more to the team than players like Baker, Gallagher, VDM, Sanders, Bramble, Khamis and a few others. Those named players should be in and out of the side or playing sub. Not proven champions like Daniel, Dale and Macrae. You work with those...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    I expect better from you lachy. No body is suggesting that we hang on to players for ever or even past to point where serious decline becomes obvious. We do not have a history of predominantly making this mistake. There is much more evidence that we have done the opposite and tended to push...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    BTW if leadership in the playing group was considered an issue. How on earth did anyone think that prematurely removing a leader like Boyd from the team was an advisable strategy? 🤦‍♂️
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    The belief in that narrative has been the central failing of the club for the majority of its existence as far as I can tell, but it is wrong, wrong, wrong! How many premiership teams have had plenty of blokes that were far from angels? Heaps of them, including our own. Furthermore, pushing...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    Respect is a two-way street. We lost our way when we started dropping blokes after one bad game rather than showing faith in them. Look at Matthew Boyd who was instrumental in 2016 but deemed too old and kept in the VFL virtually all season, then he came out and dominated in his farewell game...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    I absolutely agree. I have never said that Bevo doesn't make mistakes, he makes plenty, and they infuriate me too. I just disagree with a lot of posters on here about what those mistakes are. I have consistently said his biggest mistake is he puts the future ahead of the present too much. It's...
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    Unfortunately, he is still making the same mistake that he made in 2017. He didn't show enough loyalty to his premiership team back then, just like he isn't showing enough loyalty to his senior players now.
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    Possibly so, although I do think professionals, even young ones, need to take a bit more responsibility for their own performance. On the bright side his missing is trending towards a more consistent pattern, so I think he is still on a positive trajectory, pardon the pun.
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    Macrae has been an absolute model of consistency. How did we repay that at the start of this year? Playing guys who have done nothing in front of him. That sort of treatment kills morale. Spots need to be earned. Too often they haven't been.
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    He is certainly improving, but still needs to learn how to kick for goal. His misses have been really hurting.
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    Autopsy This is going to be painful. The Dogs V Bombers debacle thread.

    You reap what you sow. Too many players who aren’t established in the team or at the level, and they played accordingly. By playing too many young kids and putting established players on notice, the match committee has eroded the confidence and psychological safety of all players. Too few...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    There are multiple players at stoppages. The ruck is just one part of a team, and we shouldn't be too reliant on any one player\component. Furthermore, stoppages are just one aspect of the game that ruckman are involved with. Tim's ability in other aspects of the game more than compensate for...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    The way people on here complain about English reminds me of Richmond supporters complaining about Matthew Richardson. So many of them spent most of his career complaining bitterly about his flaws rather than embracing him for all his strengths, which were prodigious. English is a great player...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    Understand Daniel wasn't having a great match, my opinion was based on seeing him coming good late in some past matches where he wasn't necessarily going great early. I thought Buku played his best match to date and was really impressed with his marking. I also agree he got unlucky on a few...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    The use of language is fluid and follows all sorts of trends. One modem term that drives me nuts, is “unacceptable”. What the hell does it mean? If you absolutely won’t accept something then it indicates you will stop at nothing before you can move on and allow the unacceptable fact to stand...
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    Rumour Future of the club (Bevo, board, assistant coaches, football department)

    One of the things I find amusing in this thread, is that a large part of the criticisms aimed at Beveridge, are that he doesn't do more of the things that I think are his biggest mistakes\weaknesses. Those things tend to be along the lines of; playing more of the kids, giving them more of a...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    A good example of cherry picking here. VDM, is a frustrating player, but one mistake shouldn’t be used to define his performance in a game let alone a career. Similarly, apparent touch from one viewing aspect shouldn’t instantaneously equate with control. It was not that sort of clunking mark...
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    Changes v Bombers

    Macrae in. Sanders the sub, can come on at half time for Gallagher.
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    Changes v Bombers

    Don't like this idea at all lachy, Dale is too good for the vfl. the main reason he is being less effective is opposition teams put so much time and effort into stopping him now. I'd try him on a wing or half forward for a bit. Particularly now Duryea is back in form.
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    I don't' disagree. It was a shame he faded out of the game.
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    Most things that could have gone Geelong's way tonight did, from an umpiring and luck perspective. They also happen to be a very good side in very good form. Geelong played very solidly and didn't make many mistakes at all. The umpires allowed them to push the envelope in many ways, but they...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    Losing such a game always hurts but we need to maintain perspective. That was a very tough game against a quality side that played well and got more than their share of lucky breaks during the game. We missed a bunch of shots on goal. Marra the worst offender missing multiple gettable...
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    To clarify, his hands touched the ball whilst the edge of the ball was just touching the very back edge of the line, not exactly in front of it. Should have been umpires call, a behind.
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    The ball did shift in his hands as it moved past the line. You aren't considered to be in control the instant you touch it.
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    There were quite a few players worse than Duryea tonight. He played well, no way he should be in the gun.
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    Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

    He got his hands to it before it had completely crossed the line, but didn't control the ball until after it had definitely crossed it. It should have been a behind. Plus because it was so close and at very least, debatable either way, then the umpires call of a behind should have stood. No...
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    Preview Changes Vs Golden Toast

    Perhaps when he demonstrates some consistently strong form at VFL level. I’m not hearing reports that he is bashing down the selection door just yet.
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    Preview Changes Vs Golden Toast

    Your memory must be playing tricks on you. This level of frustration is equivalent to McCartney’s best day coaching.
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