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Very much agree with you re Gov. Forgot about him re my list.

1. Walsh 2.Weitering 3. Cripps 4. Saad 5. Mckay 6. Curnow 7. Docherty 8. Hewitt 9. Silvagni 10.De Koning Would have had Cripps 1 after early rounds but am worried about his composure of late. Just not sure of himself with his disposal. Similarly have left Cerra out of the top 10 for the same...

Agree however Carrol looks very uncomfortable getting onto his left foot.

For mine Carroll has issues with his one sided aspect. Just seems to get caught too often in uncomfortable positions with his left foot. H

Spot on. His timing has often been way out.

Thought Honey did ok today.

He just seems to have lost the confidence and composure he had earlier in the year.

Was Pittonet fit for selection?

Why are you so sure it will not be with us. Why can we not have Weitering, Young and Jones in the same backline?

Agree re Cerra's ball use. Whilst he looks like a good kick often his decision making is wanting. He is still only 22 however so has scope for improvement.

Was at the game and right where he started the goal sequence. It was pure class from start to finish.

Boyd is an elite ball user which at this stage is not the case with Liam.

Felt that his kicking also let him down the week before too.

To the best of my memory Marchbank was never a key defender, more a floating 3rd tall. Not sure if he has the strength to be a key.

Think it is great that Voss has gone down this path. For years Carlton players have been panicked under pressure situations.

He is too hot and cold with his attitude. Super skilled but lacks consistency of effort.

Valid point although i seem to recall that it was a similar situation in the seniors late last year.

Think one of Dow's biggest areas where he needs to improve is his tank. This year in the 2's and late last year in the ones he has seemed to get heaps of possessions in the first half [15-20] only to drop off in the second [ 5-10].

Agree re Stocker. He did look shaky and could do with a week or more in the 2's.

In my opinion Williamson lacks consistent composure. Does some good things but then does some horrible things. Cannot see him as part of our best 22.

Think we have lost a very good player and a quality person.

Agree to disagree re the plan v culture. I agree especially about Weiters and Walsh however I could name many/most who have slipped or not reflected their talent under what I see to have been a very poor culture.

Think Carlton are despaerate for players who are good ball users. Perhaps this is why Boyd was targeted? Also think Hewitt is a great ball user.

I would not be surprised if SPS becomes a much better player away from the terrible Carlton culture, which hopefully is now on the improve. For what it is worth I am hoping both Dow and Obrien improve at Carlton in a better 2022 environment. IMO SPS is ahead of those two so far.

Agree re Ayres. Also would love it if we could poach Williams from Melbourne. Hear he is excellent at developing ball skills which we are sadly lacking in.

I agree re Dow ahead of Newnes however am concerned with Dow. Really poor defensive game and to me he has played as many average games as good ones. Has ability but to this stage something is missing that seems attitude based. Hopefully a new coach might be able to motivate him.

b; Stocker Weitering Marchbank hb; Williams Jones Saad c; Obrien Kennedy Walsh hf Cunningham C.Curnow Honey f; Owies McKay McGovern r; De Koning Cripps Dow/Cerra res Silvagni Pittonet Kemp E.Curnow Not confident with Martin and Docherty even though they have the skills to be in the 22. If...

Agree, he tries his guts out but still looks nervous and indecisive.

Dow has effort and pace when going for the ball but zero pace and effort when he has to chase and pressure. So for me overall he still has a long way to go.