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The posters point is that he offers nothing around the ground. Is he good enough in ruck contests to then play a man down? That’s the big question about what he seems to offer.

At this stage I'm thankful if we play more than 6 games a season anywhere.

His defensive side is the worry for me. Hardly ever holds up a player. His handball under pressure is really exciting, so fast and clean, showing a real improvement in his game.

Hardwick was great today, personally I’d love to see him as a forward for a full season, but can we afford it?

We seem to like him on the wing. I don’t mind that option as it masks his defensive limitations, keeps him in the side and sets some challenges I reckon he can meet. Sic played on the wing at Box Hill and I’m hoping it works out equally as well.

I came here to chat about MacKenzie, I can see it’s the wrong thread…

It’s normal for supporters to rate their teams best players higher than their objective worth. It’s part of being a supporter.

I’ve been waiting his whole career for this move!

You reckon Sam pulled up? lol

Yep. He was challenged at his exit meeting to lift his fitness and put a more sustained effort in on the track. Can't fault him on the first.

On the run Bucky and Jars are who you want to have the ball. Standing start under no pressure, there’s never been a better kick than Suckers in our game IMHO.

I had to reflect on the difference between reality check loss and bad performance loss. If we’d played well and lost to Freo, then that’d be worse. It was def more a bad performance loss.

I’m impressed if this is entirely player welfare. Good on us for doing it. I think he can play again though.

The AFL is desperate for them to play deep into the finals and generate some strong fan following. Truth is, they'd be better off giving them help with their administration more than more high draft picks.

They're running out of things to talk about....

I can’t settle on which emoji to use here…

For the first time in a while opposition defences have some questions to answer. How do we organise our back structure so one of two 2m marking forwards isn’t vs a running back. Chol is a handful, with Mitch we have formidable marking power.

Yep, was stuck there too.

Long would be worth a go since he’s younger than the other two.

We could all do with a bit more of this, and a bit less prejudgement.

A key position player that moves like a midfielder? Why do you think we have no need for him?

Reckon he will be called between 10 (1395 points) and 20 (912 points). With 20% discout that is between 1116 and 730 points needed. We have 44 (362), 47 (316), 49 (287), 62 (123) and 63 (112) that can contribute points, totalling 1,200. Some of that will move, just to give you an idea.

The Doggies? So many other teams to hate more!

We decided to trade for Hale after he easily beat Lisle in a Box Hill game. Chol travels a similar path, hopefully.

Good to see that you have a good clear mind, not clouded by the facts.

Absolutely. I seem to be in the minority, I see a lot of talent in the top 15. Many are saying it's the weakest pool they can remember.

I disproved it after a few mins cross checking, and yea, the club would have checked more deeply just to be absolutely sure. I am sure we did our due diligence here.

The McStay stuff is easy to disprove, it didn’t happen.

If Reid is as good as projected by then, they’ll do alright.

Fringe is just too pejorative from a supporter, but whatever. All players are in our need areas, so I see as a win given we didn’t weaken our draft hand this or next year and we had little collateral going in