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I'm actually thinking back to the 2010 EF, where Hawthorn thought they were certainties and ended up embarrassed. Both Morabito and Hill dominated that day, and Hawthorn, despite getting winning in a number of key stats, didn't have an answer. I reckon the Hawks learned a lot from that loss...

Rance and Chaplin thrashed him and Gunston. Shows just how good Pav was last week.

I thought it was an amazingly soft game from Brad - Stephen has never played anywhere near that badly aside from his first couple of games. I reckon opposition coaches would take a lot from how both Smith and Hill were made ineffective. Counter their run and Hawthorn look slow - like they did...

What rumours?

Nope.

I'm not playing word games with you. The definition you quoted does not limit fundamentalists to being Protestants and Muslims.

Yeah he was good. Although it was frustrating watching McEvoy made to look silly after Freo made him look like Paul Salmon.

How does it prove that?

Minimising the influence of both Smith and Hill was massive.

So? Different game this week. Richmond controlled the ball early and denied Hawthorn short options when they had the ball. Also shutdown both Hill and Smith.

Did you miss Lyon's press conference? He was scathing about the ball use.

Nah.

Nope

He'd need to find players with better kicking skills

Who suggested that?

So?

Yeah, well Freo have never held Hawthorn to under 10 goals under Ross

A 19 point win is not "comfortably".

Richmond are Richmond. They beat both Sydney and Freo away either side of losing to West Coast at home

That it wasn't unexpected that Richmond would win. Hardwick knows how to beat them. He worked with Clarkson at both Port and Hawthorn, he knows the Hawthorn style better than any other coach.

Who said they were unbeatable? Hardwick has beaten three times over the past four years. Lyon once.

Only four wins in the past decade. Hawthorn were s**t in the late 90s too.

Where have I ever said they are unbeatable? They have an enviable record the past four years, and Freo completely struggle to beat them, both home and away. Only eight wins ever against them from 31 games.

Still haven't beaten them away since Ben Allan was coach.

Suck s**t Hawks flogs

There's some fair cheating by the umps going on here.

Whatever Hardwick has done to take both Hill and Smith out of the game must be copied by Ross. Hawks look slow and unsure compared to Richmond without them firing. (Although Hill shitting himself a number of times hasn't helped)

Tigers!

This is a good game. Really impressed by Richmond's ability to contain Hawthorn's scoring.

What a s**t free to Rioli.