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  1. WhiteHartLane23

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    I've now spent quite a bit of time now looking through Trove, BDM and Ancestry records and I'm confident there aren't any other viable candidates - I am confident that “F. P. Bray,” who played for Richmond (1893) and St Kilda (1895), is Francis Patrick Bray (1876–1918), and further, that he is...
  2. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    From funeral notice date of death for Peter Smith was 1 April 2026 Oliver G
  3. WhiteHartLane23

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    I'm posting here in the hope some of the regulars can review the below and ideally help confirm my thinking/research I've been working on properly identifying VFA players from the 1890s and came across Frank Bray who played for Richmond in 1893 (coming from Marylebone) and then St Kilda in...
  4. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Another one from 2025 that was missed... Frank Pattison (St Kilda) passed away on 23 May 2025 at the age of 97 Oliver G
  5. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    Syd James is another one who appears to have no direct descendants. After his playing career he competed as a sprinter and coached various teams and he appears to have split from his wife around 1940 as they appear at different addresses in electoral rolls from that point onwards (and he is...
  6. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    I've reached out on Ancestry to the daughter of Willie Woolf, a great-nephew of Leo Young and a distant relative of Joe Lyons who has agreed to try and find out more about potential living direct descendants
  7. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    Willie Woolf (who was Jewish) had one child from his second marriage to Ajdla (Adela) Edna Lewkdwicz - from his death notice below her name was Esther. She appears to be active on Ancestry having posted the following on her tree "My mother Adela was born as the 9th child of Sholma Lewkowicz our...
  8. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    For Bernie Trafford can I recommended reaching out to Jayde Trafford (https://www.facebook.com/jayde.trafford) who seems to be a great grand-daughter of Bernie. This is a screenshot of her family tree on Ancestry with Bernie in the top left
  9. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    Close - only error is that John is the son of William and Dorothy... so the final generation shown are all descended from William Leon Martin
  10. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    Fred Hansen has a complicated family history so apologies in advance for the long post... Hansen served in the Navy from the age of 16 (entered R.A.N. on 11 Jun 1919) and married Mona Mabel Sibley on 22 Aug 1922 (aged 19). They had two children together William Leon Hansen (Martin)...
  11. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    Bill Brown is another player who has no direct descendants His parents, William James Brown (1875–1925) and Charlotte Edwards (1875–1965), had five children: Ida Hollis Brown (1902–1975) m Norman Edwin Walker – no children from death notices Annie Lillian Brown (1904–1963) – never married; no...
  12. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    For Frank Booth it appears there are no direct descendants - only death notice I can find was this one from SMH on 31/7/1974 and he does not share a surname with anyone at the same address where I have been able to trace him. Seems unlikely he married... Closest living relatives I can trace are...
  13. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Tracking down the 'missing Hawks'

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_White_(footballer,_born_1912)&action=history - the article was nominated for deletion as subject was deemed not sufficiently notable... I fear there may be hundreds of these (which is partly why I've beefed up so many of the early Hawthorn ones...
  14. WhiteHartLane23

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    Stumbled across a wikipedia edit to Ray McVilly (Hawthorn) who died on 25 Jun 2025. 1. His death was missed in Recent Deaths thread & AFL season guide even though there was a footy related facebook post at the time of his passing 2. His date of birth (14 Jan 1938) in footy records is incorrect...
  15. WhiteHartLane23

    Little Help

    Hi - I've updated wiki for all Carlton players with surnames starting with A-B note: If anyone else is making updates, player pages on Blueseum now appear with url format https://blueseum.org/mwiki/index.php?title={{name}} however linking is supported to https://blueseum.org/{{name}} so using...
  16. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Doug Reynolds DOD was 31 Jan 2026 as per funeral service
  17. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Agree - was just about to post the same thing. Updated 2025 query here (sorted by family name so it matches AFL season guide) Have added recent additional deaths to wikipedia/data with refs
  18. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    After reconciliation, the following deaths are missing from AFL season guide - Ray Lucev only known missing record in table above (plus no umpire deaths were included this year) - will email list to AFL guys IdentityBornDiedClubs Stuart Barclay4 October 194910 April 2025Essendon Football...
  19. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Though I'd compile a list of 2025 deaths (we'll see how it compares with Season Guide when it comes out on Friday) - wikidata query here (I've added umpire deaths I know about at the end of the table and separated out non VFL/AFL players who generally aren't included in Season Guide)...
  20. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Couple of recent St Kilda deaths Max Nowlan died 13/09/2025 (note: Russell Holmesby's tribute on St Kilda website incorrectly has 14/09 as DOD) Jon Lilley died 21/10/2025 Oliver G
  21. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    And another one missing from this thread and af.com Fred Macquire (NM) passed away on 9 April 2025
  22. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Byron Guthrie (Footscray) died earlier this year - does not appear to have been picked up in any football news/sites Date of death was 4 Feb 2025 as per burial record at Sunbury Cemetery Oliver G
  23. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Fully identifying early umpires

    Bill Davies has long been on the list of player-umpires on both the AFLUA and some sites (including wikipedia and Essendon past players) credit him with two games as field umpire. A quick check on Trove show that the ex-Essendon player (W. L. Davies) was named as a boundary umpire in the...
  24. WhiteHartLane23

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    Jack Meagher (SM) is currently listed as born on 23 July 1930 and possibly still living. I went looking to see if I could find him (or a record of his death), and think there is strong evidence that he has been mis-identified in league records. It seems pretty clear he was born earlier than...
  25. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Claremont tribute gives death date for Doug Ringholt of 10 April 2025 - Oliver G
  26. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Family notice gives death date for Ken Beck of 6 April 2025 - Oliver G
  27. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Peter Webster (Carlton) died 27 Mar 2025 - see family death notice Oliver G australianfootball.com has 28 Mar but both family & club notices give death date of 27 Mar.
  28. WhiteHartLane23

    VFL Round postponed 1963

    Its not the only time this has occurred - in early VFA/VFL years there was a bad weather committee whose purpose was to make these decisions e.g. 1896 VFA Round 17, 1900 VFL season Round 3
  29. WhiteHartLane23

    Research Recent Deaths

    Edo Benetti's death was on 3 March 2025
  30. WhiteHartLane23

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    From team lists in The Herald / Sporting Globe linked above, the player listed who is not currently credited with a game in Rd 15 is Frank Walshe (who played in both Rd 14 and Rd16). In the Australasian report of the match it was reported that "On the losing side Walsh followed untiringly and...

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