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    20th AFL Team

    It's no great feat to outdraw a match against the Gold Coast Titans, especially when you're throwing around free tickets like confetti. Don't play coy and pretend it's not happening, we all know the Giants have been giving free tickets to every kid 15 and under and I personally know multiple...
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    20th AFL Team

    "How could a footy fan not want Manuka to be upgraded", well I do want a new oval stadium, however unlike you I understand that those concerns don't exist in a vacuum and that it'd be both irrational and deeply unjust to prioritise more upgrades to Manuka or a new oval stadium for two sports...
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    20th AFL Team

    I didn't realise this was the inquisition. It's pretty self-evident that I support local Aussie rules and an AFL side in Canberra, I wouldn't be wasting my time on this if I didn't. I take an interest in many sports as well. Does my interest in football, ice hockey, and basketball, among...
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    20th AFL Team

    We both know that I'm not wrong at all, and I'd bet that GWS isn't even in the top five most popular AFL sides in Canberra/Queanbeyan. Heaps of people have them as their 'second team', but it's very unusual to find a person who claims to be a Giants fan first and foremost. At the very least...
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    20th AFL Team

    I'm just giving a neutral and objective reflection of the feelings around town without any spin or BS, which, ironically, because of you have a heavy bias towards the AFL and don't actually care about Canberra, it's community, or interests outside of how they can benefit the AFL, is why you're...
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    20th AFL Team

    There's no way that Henson Park or Blacktown could host AFL fixtures without major upgrades, and I can't see the NSW government being willing to invest in those upgrades for 3 fixtures a year.
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    20th AFL Team

    The AFL may want Canberra to remain part of GWS, but it's only a matter of time before the ACT rejects GWS as 'Canberra's team'. Nobody here genuinely considers them Canberra's team as it is frankly, and the repeated assertion by many that they are shows a total lack of understanding of the...
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    20th AFL Team

    The short answer is that they couldn't afford it. They'd be forced to do it all at once, but the light rail is bankrupting the ACT so they can't afford to do it all at once. They can't delay the light rail for political reasons, Bruce Stadium has desperately needed replacing for over a decade...
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    20th AFL Team

    RL and RU people are generally more up to date on the stadium debate, probably because Bruce is literally falling down and spewing raw sewerage at this point. The talk is that the push to upgrade Manuka in pursuit of a BBL license is a bit of a front. Don't get me wrong, Cricket ACT want the...
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    20th AFL Team

    There's definitely some talks going on behind the scenes, there's too much smoke to that fire for it not to be the case. What we don't know is how serious those talks are. If the whispers around town are true it'll cause one of the biggest political shitstorms since self governance, which would...
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    Expansion 20th AFL team location

    Owls are cool, but griffins would be the way to go if you wanted something a bit unique and with more of a traditional Canberra/ACT vibe about it.
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    Expansion Canberra

    It wasn't until you came in with a semantics argument. The day they stop playing games here GWS's support base in Canberra will shrivel to almost nothing, just as Norths and others did before them. For the vast majority of people here that buy GWS memberships it's a marriage of convenience...
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    Expansion Canberra

    Andrew Barr's sycophantic relationship with the AFL and GWS claiming it because it's convenient doesn't make it true. You wanna be Canberra's team you need to be a part of the community and exist for it's benefit. GWS is neither. GWS doesn't live in the community, it doesn't represent it in any...
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    General Rugby League Discussion

    Is that really surprising? Plenty of people I know from Melbourne wouldn't have a clue who Glenn Lazarus, Cam Smith, or Billy Slater were either. I know people round these parts don't like hearing it, but the truth is that most people in NSW probably couldn't name a single Swans player.
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    Expansion Canberra

    Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. The Giants are not, and never will be, Canberra's AFL team. Even the people I know that are Giants members aren't really Giants fans, GWS just helps meet the demand for live footy while there's no other option. Punt the Giants and replace...
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    20th AFL Team

    A Canberra AFL side would have it's hands full making itself a success in Canberra, and it shouldn't be their job to sell the game in the Riverina. Splitting games with the Riverina may sell the idea to clueless people, but it's at the expense of weakening it's viability as a concept. You're...
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    20th AFL Team

    I'm not going to give you an in depth history lesson, but the NRL mergers weren't formed from struggling clubs per se. In fact it was much more political than that, and St. George, Balmain, and Manly were among the clubs that were better off after the SL war. The failure of the mergers have been...
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    20th AFL Team

    Those clubs and GWS get paid handsomely to move their home games interstate, effectively underwriting the games and guaranteeing a profit. The same won't be true of the Tasmanian team splitting games between Hobart and Launceston, or a hypothetical Canberran team taking games to Wagga, Albury...
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    20th AFL Team

    For sake of argument lets say I totally agree with all of that; none of it changes the fact that splitting venues can up to halve the value of an individual season ticket and other ticketed memberships, corporate and luxury boxes, sponsorship hoarding and space, etc, etc, whilst also increasing...
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    20th AFL Team

    Just like GWS in Canberra, every gain you'd make in Albury or Wagga would come at the expense of support and growth back home in Canberra. You'll never convert the overwhelming majority of those people in Albury and/or Wagga into genuine supporters of the Canberra side, and that support would...
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    20th AFL Team

    Yeah, I'd go so far as to say that Canberra's population density and growth will make it a stronger market than Tas given time, maybe even as soon as a decade or so from now. Having to split games between Hobart and Launceston will hurt Tas as well, as it devalues season tickets and ticketed...
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    20th AFL Team

    The Raiders and Brumbies have most or all of Southern NSW within their catchments on paper for promotional and player development reasons, but the reality is that the further you move away from Canberra the more support for the Canberran teams dies off. RU and the Brumbies is a bit more...
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    Expansion Canberra

    There's nothing clever about it when he's made the same move about half a dozen times in the last decade. Barr's been using empty promises of a new rectangular stadium, which, like it or not, Canberra desperately needs, to gain support for his agenda for over a decade at this point. He's pulled...
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    Expansion Canberra

    No, if anything Union's struggles have benefited AFL in Canberra, not RL. The Raiders, and RL by extension, just had a lot of latent support that had been lying dormant since the 90s, most of which has been woken up by making the prelim in 2016, the GF in 2019, and just not being perennial...
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    Moved Thread If Tasmania gets the 19th license, what state or territory would you like to see team 20 based in?

    Acknowledges but does nothing of substance to address. Some of his ideas and thoughts are just flat out wrong, but many people here are inclined to accept them because he's based in Canberra and saying what they want to hear. The fact you think I'm biased simply for pushing back shows that it's...
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    Moved Thread If Tasmania gets the 19th license, what state or territory would you like to see team 20 based in?

    Yeah but that's because you only engage with the AFL side of Canberra and have a serious case of confirmation bias. In other words you've built yourself a comfortable echo chamber and only take in information that confirms your preconceived notions. A Canberra AFL side would probably be as big...
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    Moved Thread If Tasmania gets the 19th license, what state or territory would you like to see team 20 based in?

    I don't know where this myth that Canberra was an "Aussie rules town" came from, but as a person who actually lived it and isn't particularly biased towards any particular sport, it's nothing more than a lie that has been repeated into truth by people whom don't understand Canberra's history and...
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    20th AFL Team

    You have a terrible case of confirmation bias. RL's participation numbers have pretty much always been lower than Aussie Rules because it's way more punishing on the body (people will argue this, but it is what it is). If you wanted to get a more accurate stat for RL participation in Canberra...
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    20th AFL Team

    Mr there's a conspiracy to keep Aussie Rules down says I have a chip on my shoulder lol. Outside of NSW and QLD there isn't a single rectangular stadium that would meet FIFA's minimum standards to host a pool game in the WC, and only one that meets WR's minimum standards. Sure they'll both...
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    20th AFL Team

    Times are very different now than when they did the early stages of the redevelopment, and almost all significant development proposed in Manuka is strongly opposed by the aforementioned group. Their letter is meaningless as well, they'll take whatever angle they think will work to squish each...
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