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Couldn't help but notice that Reeves was jumping at the centre bounce, especially in the second half. That gave him/us an awesome advantage. Comapre that to stoppage clearances where it was so much harder for him to jump, and where Collingwood had the advantage.

My recent thread on Rohan sending Cameron to hospital was deleted by the mod on the technical grounds that the rules only refer to opposition players making prohibited contact. The incident was reckless, high contact causing a head injury. That Cameron only was injured was Rohan's good luck...

Siliy v Rohan, what's the difference? To quote posters on another site: "...the AFL don't accept accidents anymore, if a head is hit, the hitter could and should have done something different, even if that something else defies both common sense and the law of physics "... Does the care only...

I think you are right!

What evidence do you have that Clarko's camp is leaking to the media?

'Sit on the side of the coaches'. This is becoming tiresome.

This sort of circular argument 'he said she said' is mind numbing. The initial pile on was that the coaches were adjudged guilty. The fact that I wanted the coaches to have the chance to defend themselves is not a biased starting position. I want both sides to help establish the truth - with...

What I find challenging is that so many commentators on this site presume to be judge, jury and executioner. All I want is the truth, not opinion!

And why not? If someone had accused you and you had not been given an opportunity to respond you'd be filthy too!

No that is simplistic. It's possible for all parties to honestly have different perspectives.

Only one thing needs to happen. The whole shebang needs to be brought out into the light of day so everyone can have their say, so that actions can be understood and so that resolution can be found. Everything else is unhelpful and everybody loses.

Let's stop the guessing. There is already too much noise!

This thread really has degenerated into a he said, she said, making things up mill.

Don't know why every one is getting worked up here. Trolls have lots of Hawthorn supporters taking the bait. Let's resume when something factual is reported.

LOL!

If it is true, of course not. I am inclined to believe from reading 215 pages on this thread that there was probably cultural insensitivity, but racism, no. I am also concerned that there was a claim that money was not a motive and that has now been demonstrably proven to be untrue. So how do...

Now that we know the issue was about money what choice did Clarko, Fagan and Burt have but to take a safety first route and demand their rights? It would have been naive for for them to go into 'reconciliation' meetings and be blindsided. There was always more to this than met the eye.

One observation about the first half where Sicily's absence caused confusion about who did what, was the frequent inability of Hawthorn players slipping at crucial moments/unable to hold their feet. Did they change boots/stops at half time or were the players just bedazzled by Port?

Chickened out? .... No!

And what if it is not true? Is it racism?

And the players' (or perhaps more accurately their partners) interpretation of the allegations hasn't been tested, either.

Provided you actually know the facts!

The key word here is 'allegedly'. And context does matter. I just happen to be someone who wants truth telling. From and for everyone.

What stupid rule! ... and couldn't buy a free kick in the last quarter.

It's time that I, as well as everyone else took a depth breath. The bottom line is what is the truth? I don't want the HFC to pay out to the complainants on the threat of legal action. I want that legal action to take place so the no one can hide behind a screen and make unsubstantiated claims...

So, you've made a judgement. They are victims and they are being demonised through social commentary. It would be more helpful to acknowledge that both parties are victims and both parties are being demonised through social commentary. That's why this is such a f...k up. Hawthorn has...

Well, the assassination was wrong but there's nothing wrong with the process after that. Really?

there than the slur at Dan Andrews I agree!

Pot, kettle, black perhaps?

and if the allegations are not true? Or misconstrued?