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What about now?

I think this kid is going to make it, personally.

Yeah, the umpire literally just stopped the game for no reason.

It's amazing that despite the umpiring he was still able to be the most unprofessional aspect of that broadcast.

It always fascinates me what perception people have... IMHO Dangerfield has looked shot most of the year and Rohan not far behind him. Duncan also spent most of the year looking like he should retire

So Conway and Grundy it is then.

Nah. Something fundamentally changed in 07. That team went from promising challengers to absolutely monstering most opposition.

I think we wanted the pick more than the win.

Totally agree. Also had an outstanding workrate off the ball. So many people here have forgotten how long it took some of our greatest players to have an impact.

Suspect that was C Scott taking the opportunity to show Bowes what a genuine A grader does for four quarters.

Not sure how you could possibly write off Dempsey or Knevitt on what we've seen so far.

Geelong fans are so spoiled. Takes 50+ games for taller players to really come good but they'll write this guy off after a handful of games where our midfield has been smashed.

Does wanting him to actually improve and have an impact make you a 'hater'?

10 clangers and 10 turnovers. Smith 11 turnovers. Right time for both to go.

Smith tried to kick a miracle goal every time he got it instead of passing and Menegola turned it over 200 times but sure.

5 years would call for a significant trade.

Who do you think he will end up being comparable to in terms of play style?

We won the clearances and contested possessions.

It constantly amazes me how people on this board have forgotten that you can't expect much at all for the first 50 games. Plenty of Geelong heroes did nothing much of note in that part of their careers.

How it is? "We have the oldest list in AFL history and a bunch of injuries and we just ran the likely premiers within 2 goals despite them playing out of their skins at their home ground. I'm very angry."

When Rohan went off they were able to dedicate more resources to shutting down Miers and Duncan who were rampant in Q1.

Midfield mostly matched theirs tonight, so that excuse doesn't fly. Defence was a shambles.

Who is giving Sav 5 years now?

Two turnovers. Did it again later when we were surging forward and he kicked it straight to a Pie.

Man up Daicos and we win given the margin. How do you leave him loose for three quarters?

We do still control our destiny, win the last two and we will make finals.

So on a more positive note I thought Sav was once again excellent for a guy who has played fewer than 10 games in defence.

I think O'Connor made a mistake by accentuating it as much as possible. Allowed the umpire to pretend he just dived.

I'm surprised people are so positive about Ceglar. To me, tonight showed that he's done. Yes, it's novel seeing an actual ruckman pull on the hoops. But the second the ball hits the deck we're down a player. Seems to have no confidence whatsoever in his own disposal.