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Hawthorn's lowest point is 1925 through to 1957. 32 Years without finals including 10 wooden spoons.

Riolis push was far more deliberate than Daniher

Three soft free kicks to the Tigers and it's game over. Thanks for ruining the best final in a decade umpires!

Do you mean the 2008 when Geelong: were reigning champions had a record 9 All-Australians in their team had the reigning Brownlow medallist (Bartel) had the reigning Players, Coaches and Media MVP (Ablett) had a win-loss record of 21W-1L had the 3rd highest percentage since WW2 of 161.8%...

Western Bulldogs have had a positive free kick diffential every year since 2013. So yes, a decade.

Mate I do work in data analysis and one important aspect is not to jump to conclusions like 'it's most likely game style related'. The data can't tell you that. A statistical trend over 9 years is definitely a systemic issue. What systemic issue? Who knows. Maybe all the umpires are WB...

Did they? Well I guess without the centre bounce there can be no goals. lol

You must lack reading comprehension. When a team has a positive free kick differential in 9 consecutive years and has topped the differential charts in 5 of the past 7 years....It's not a one-off anomaly. It's a statistical trend and a systematic issue. If the AFL want to recruit me to look...

Read the thread mate.

By the way...Weightman only 1 touch tonight wow

That's not what I said. Just saying that systematic issues have been demonstrated before.

Dunno. Ask the West Duck Eagles of the 2000/10s. They were the previous umpiring darlings, especially at Subiaco. Constant backlash led to a change in how they roster umpires, providing real rotation...

Still our second highest SC scorer haha

Across one game - No Across multiple seasons - There's an issue They haven't had a negative free kick differential since 2013.

Hawthorn vs Western Umpires tonight at Marvel Stadium

Rhylee West gets rewarded with a free kick after illegally shepherding Sicily out of the contest...should've been penalised not rewarded.

Bob Pratt the clear anomaly in that list. Only 22 years old when he kicked his 400th! Didn't realise he was that young for his 150 goal season.

Goals per game (retired after 2011, 400+ goals) L Franklin - 3.1 J Cameron - 2.5 J Kennedy - 2.4 J Riewoldt - 2.3 J Brown - 2.3 T Hawkins - 2.2 T Walker - 2.2 N Riewoldt - 2.1 S Milne - 2.1 M Pavlich - 2.0 T Lynch - 2.0 J Roughead - 2.0 M Lecras - 2.0 J Darling - 1.9 J Gunston - 1.9 J Daniher...

Reminds me of the 'offside' rule in rugby. It's not a penalty to be offside but if that player obstructs, tackles, receives the ball or otherwise gets involved in the play, then and only then is the whistle blown.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to think that West Coast's single premiership win in 2018 makes their dynasty just as good as Essendon's 1999-2001 dynasty. They weren't even as good as Geelong's dynasty 1989-1995 who didn't win a premiership. If premierships are even, grand finals is the next...

Sure, but almost 4 =/= almost 5.

Are you seriously saying winning 3/3 GFs is better than winning 3/4 GFs? Make four GFs and then join the argument.

Lions were only 1 win away from 4 in a row (GF 2004). Cats were only 3 wins away from 5 in a row (GF 2008, PF 2010) Hawks were only 3 wins away from 5 in a row (PF 2011, GF 2012) not to mention Isaac Smith's miss in 2016. So the Tigers kinda need to make the GF this year to equal those dynasties.

What the heck is the dilution of the talent pool? Australia's population is greater than ever and the pool is now not only national but international. How is anything diluted? Victoria fielded 12 teams in 1925 with only 1.5m people. SA had a pretty strong SANFL in the 1980s with a similar...

Breust breaks a tackle, touches ball on the ground and gets penalised for holding the ball.... Actually umpire he played it perfectly you're just an idiot.

Careless action looking for a spinal injury. Turn to protect yourself don't lean your head into an oncoming tackler. Must've learnt from the Selwood school of football.

Callaghan ducked into that. I would have dissented too.

Funny how the whole game changed when that 'protected area' 50m penalty was given for absolutely nothing. Worst rule in the AFL ever.

And the umpires want to be respected hahah

Hawkins pushing more backs than a chiropractor.