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Great news, you boys must be stoked. Can't wait to see you destroy Sydney. I think the players are going to come out firing.

I was referring to the official deed signed by everyone (for Hird). For Connelly, the most official document I could find was the one I linked to from the afl site. They both were silent on the matter. Are you aware of a more official document for Connelly's suspension? And I realise that me...

All I'm saying is that Connelly's punishment didn't mention payment, exactly the same as Hird. He wasn't allowed to be paid under his suspension, except by third parties. As someone else said on this page, maybe Connelly agreed to it, and maybe that's the difference. I don't mean to be...

Or that Essendon should have been aware that suspensions of this type prevented payment. It was a confirmation of the legal status of the penalty (and the implications for payment by his employer), as opposed to a retrospective change to the penalty.

The AFL had to publicly confirm at a later stage that Melbourne were not allowed to pay Connolly. The AFL did not state that Melbourne had volunteered not to pay him.

Connelly is the perfect precedent for the Hird case. No mention of pay in official penalty: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-19/afl-full-statement-melbourne-tanking-penalties AFL confirm shortly after that he could not be paid by Melbourne, but could be paid indirectly...

I'm just perplexed. It seems to be like you can pay him (although as you can tell, I'm interested that no one is trying to establish that you definitely can or can't, based only on what is written in the deed). I think it's all just weird. If the AFL didn't want you guys to pay him, they...

I was just having a look at this, you're right about Trigg having it written in. Connelly's statement said the following: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-19/afl-full-statement-melbourne-tanking-penalties I'm not sure if it states elsewhere that he couldn't be paid. If it doesn't, then it...

In that case the player is suspended from playing games. Not suspended from his club. Hird wasn't suspended from Essendon. He was suspended from the AFL. Trigg and Connelly received similar afl suspensions and weren't able to be paid. Although I'm not sure if there are any differences between...

Maybe I'm mistaken then. Link to written agreement stating he would be paid?

The deal was silent on pay. There is a public stand-off, with either side stating that pay was/wasn't part of the deal.

I agree. But the current payroll system for Hird would have to state something other than wages, given Hird is suspended from the AFL.

No, it doesn't state that he would be paid. It is silent on that. Just that he is suspended from the afl, and can't work with any afl clubs (clubs being a sub-set of the AFL). What goes on his pay slip (or in the bombers system)? If its wages, then does this contradict the fact that he has...

I think you're right. But interestingly, he has been suspended from the AFL, not from Essendon. So he can't work with Essendon, and hasn't been suspended from Essendon. So what is his employment status (at Essendon), and what is the reason he is being paid?

So he's employed by Essendon, but not 'working with' Essendon? I think that's what Hird has to argue/prove (or AFL has to prove the opposite etc). I think that it's an argument that Hird can win.

That's true. It also states that Hird can't 'work with' any afl club. By receiving a salary from Essendon, is he 'working with' Essendon? I don't know the answer, but that's the question at the centre of today's news.

Would there be a difference in a payout and a continual wage being paid while suspended? I'm not trying to suggest Hird can't be paid (I don't know), I just know that if payment meant he is defined as 'working with' Essendon, then he can't be paid.

I come in peace... the agreement between AFL and Hird is that Hird couldn't work with any afl clubs. So the question is, can Hird be paid by Essendon if he doesn't work with them? I don't know the answer, but I do know that employees who have been suspended with pay still 'work with' their...