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Cheers. My sympathies for the players is lessening.

It would if they didn't have any injections in the previous week when they were tested. I am not sure what you are trying to say but I am trying to see if the players so called omission was in fact an omission. So as there is no doubt about where I stand I think the players were mislead by the...

There has been quite a bit of noise about the ASADA forms that those players out of the 34 who were tested had omitted to put the details of all drugs/supplements that they had used. A number of people condemn these players for this omission. I understand that these forms require the players...

Quite a few think he has integrity but he is a shrinking violet who seems to be too afraid to ask the obvious continuation question. His explanation about AOD-9064 was Robboesque.

He must be Fast Eddie (Meatloaf) in the Rocky Horror!! Even Jab has been quoted as stating he couldn't believe how big the players had got over the preseason (after being walloped by the Blues in September 2011). But no they weren't on the gear.

Especially when it makes your "arse feel like concrete".

"My one remaining question is, what the hell was the something that kept them all quiet?" Most of the players were on board with the program and it didn't sail close to the edge it went over the edge and now the 34 will forever be known as drug cheats. I have no sympathy for any of them but...

Crowley, like Saad and probably the Collingwood boys, was not a designed deliberate attempt to gain an advantage over the rest of the competition. Essendons* was. I know which is worse and yet the penalties are less. Go figure.

What happens if CAS find them guilty? The players will almost certainly be suspended and probably for 2 years but what of the club that instigated it. I think that Essendon must be punished by being de-registered for at least 2 years.

The players are in the dark because they chose to be in the dark. No sympathy from me for them. I hope they all get 2 year bans. If they do get bans then we may see some penalties imposed upon all of the architects of the program and their accomplices.

Do you know if the TGA is going to go after the people who injected this drug into the players? I ask because as far as I am aware AOD has still not been passed via clinical trials as fit to be injected. Happy to stand corrected.

The only communication is when ASADA decide they have enough evidence to make a formal allegation or allegations. ASADA does not send updates of evidence or information to the panel during its investigation. They may send new evidence if it comes to light after they have sent the formal...

Perhaps we are at cross-purposes. I am saying that prior to ASADA providing the ADVRP with formal allegations there would have been no communication about this matter between them. Once the ADVRP received the formal allegations a show cause notice would have been issued. The ADVRP is...

It doesn't work like that. The ADRVP is independent of ASADA. The paper has got it wrong.

I doubt that there was any communication between ASADA and the ADRVP prior to ASADA issuing Dank with the show cause notice because this is not how these types of Tribunals/Panels operate. They would hardly be considered to be independent if they were speaking about matters before any decisions...

Well if we are to believe the reports in the papers, Dank according to his statutory declaration, has no documents. There are penalties for false statements made in statutory declaration's including possible imprisonment. Mind you if he went to court he could give evidence under oath so maybe...

You may be right and I think that you are. But it means that EFC do not know all of the drugs/supplements administered and therefore they have no right making statements about the safety of these drugs/supplements unless the statements are qualified. I am yet to hear a qualified statement from...

Smells like a cover-up too me. Thank god that ASADA have a retired FC judge looking into there investigation.

This is a very interesting thread. Correct me with I am wrong but the EFC doctor signed off on the use of AOD. AOD is a drug/supplement that has not been approved for therapeutic use. Was AOD only used as a cream? I ask because I thought that it had been injected therefore bringing it into the...

Just for you: "Any scientific approach to semantics has to be clearly distinguished from a pejorative sense of the term that has developed in popular use, when people talk about the way that language can be manipulated in order to mislead the public. A newspaper headline might read. 'Tax...

If this was the case why didn't one player from Essendon contact ASADA?

Thanks for the update.

Not always the case because the other test is that the comments/opinion, whether written or spoken, may have to also be in the public interest.

I actually agree with you Mxett. I'm also surprised, given the leaks of information that have appeared, that ASADA are still to issue infraction notices against the players. I think that infraction notices will be issued and if I am right then ASADA need to do this asap so that the players can...

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