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  1. John Who

    Laird have a case to answer ?

    “careless conduct, medium impact and high contact.” The problem with the MRP is that they’re constantly changing the definitions and parameters of the verdict. As far as I’m concerned, Neale got up right away and able to play out the game. There was no signs of distress when he stood up. So...
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    Umpiring The Umpiring Dissent Rule - Discuss Here

    Why I strongly dislike the dissent rule: it’s an emotive/subjective rule different umpires will have different tolerances to a player’s apparent dissent an umpire’s mood can change from week to week and can affect their tolerance to a player’s apparent dissent an umpire’s fatigue level will...
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    Jonas and Butters subbed back on after head clash - with no concussion protocol undertaken

    I think this incident was one of those grey areas where there is no clear right or wrong. I saw the incident on TV and was thinking they both probably should have done the concussion protocol from the mere fact they both lied relatively motionless straight after the impact. However, I recall...
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    Steven Hocking Conflict of Interest

    Just want to say well done on the initial observations in the OP! ;)
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    Hence the point of this thread. Once Mackay decided to go full-paced at the contest (and every right to), there wasn’t much of a choice thereafter, and the footy Gods had made their call of what was to eventuate with the collision.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    Whenever that time comes, I hope they decide to make an official rule about it, instead of penalising someone randomly for not breaking any current rules...and then to send him to a tribunal to test whether any rules are broken? FMD
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    Not to mention the fact how would Mackay know what speed Clark was going at? And this is assuming he noticed him at all, which I doubt as he didn’t even brace himself for contact at the instant moment of collision!
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    How many weeks for Mackay?

    I’m guessing you’ve never actually played footy before? Who goes to bump with that action? Or who goes to deliberately harm someone with their arm dangling out like that? If anything Mackay was at high risk for a shoulder dislocation or concussion himself.
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    How many weeks for Mackay?

    Just for clarity for anyone who doesn’t understand football on this thread, this isn’t an act of a bump by Mackay, but him still trying to grab at the ball (at the point of impact).
  10. John Who

    How many weeks for Mackay?

    I mentioned this before on the other thread, at the point of impact, Mackay still had a limp arm dangling out, trying to grab the footy. If he was intending to bump, then his arm needed to stiffen with a fully flexed right elbow.
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    How many weeks for Mackay?

    Or an idiot who’s never played football.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    It seems there wasn’t even a choice, because both were fixated on winning the ball. At the point of impact, both were still trying to grab at the ball, and the bump or tackle by either players wasn’t even an option at this stage.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    If both Mackay and Clark were at the drop of the ball in near identical time, then we can say both had the right to contest the ball. It then doesn’t matter what pace or how far away either player were from the ball when it was up for grabs. Otherwise we’re effectively saying if you’re closest...
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    Jason Dunstall is a deadset legend for being so articulate here:
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    You’re allowed to do it if it’s purely an accident and full intention to go for the ball. That part has never changed up until now with this current debate.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    I refer back to the frame at the point of contact: Mackay didn’t even have the time to brace himself prior to the collision. His brace was an instinct after the hit, and not before the hit. He was, in footy speak, “100% committed to the ball”. His eyes, line-run and approach to the ball...
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    Really appreciating your comments on this thread. And agree, Mackay doesn’t look fully protected to me either. I’ve edited the OP with some further info added.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    I’ve looked at the footage in detail, and unfortunately you’re wrong: Mackay was not “fully protected” at all. His right arm was still dangling out at the point of contact. It’s actually amazing how he got out of it without a shoulder dislocation. And if Clark had been half a step faster, it...
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    "The truth is Mackay did not have to bump him with that velocity." I think the use of the word "bump" here is misguided. Mackay was bracing for contact just prior to impact. This is entirely different to him running and then bumping Clark. The motives and actions are different.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    I think it's important to dissect the situation with these last few frames (in milliseconds) prior to impact: I think there are 2 sets of action here regarding Mackay's output: 1. "See ball, get ball", quite literally. He ran a straight line and just prior to impact, he was putting his...
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    That's an alternative, but is it a realistic alternative? Effectively asking someone to sacrifice themselves and allowing maximum injury potential for themselves during a pending collision.
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    I can't believe I've struck conversations with 2 Tigers' supporters within 24 hours, but here we are! LOL I agree with your last sentence "reporting him is a sh*t way to try to formulate rules in the sport." What would have been infinitely better is they come out saying "what happened last...
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    The scores at the time of incident, has a lot to do with it IMO. If Mackay, a senior member, weren't going at full pace at the ball, the fans would call for his head (particularly on the Crows BF board). His position in the team, quite literally would be on the line had he ran at any other pace...
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    The DMac/HClark case - what is the alternative action?

    There’s been a lot of controversy resulting from the collision between David Mackay and Hunter Clark in the recent round 13 game between the Crows and the Saints. Everybody has got their opinion, but on this thread, I would like to pose one simple question: For either Mackay and Clark, what...
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    How many weeks for Mackay?

    Whatever the charge is, I've analysed the incident, and can hopefully show you guys that Mackay: A. had full intent to go for the ball. B. there was no wrecklessness or carelessness involved. C. the impact was unavoidable. The following is the breakdown of the last few seconds prior to impact...
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    Rules AFL Rules have been making things worse, not better

    I like a lot of the points you’ve raised. Regarding your suggestion of 5 in the interchange bench, I’m not sure if this would affect the congestion in a positive way. As you’ve hypothesised, it may allow coaches to pick a taller or younger emerging player for the 5th player on the bench...
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    "Umpires Call"

    How to keep your sanity during a goal review: - don’t expect the video review system to be 100% perfect - don’t expect goal umpires to always be right - expect the unexpected And just to reiterate a few of the comments, the video reviews are to help eliminate the OBVIOUS bad goal umpire...
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    A concussion without a thorough concussion test

    Ok guys, I’ve deliberately hold back on some thoughts as I was waiting to see how Simpkin went during the course of this week and whether he’d play this weekend - he is playing. So here’s what I think went on using all available data, and from a working perspective of having involved in...
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    A concussion without a thorough concussion test

    Is it really wrong of me to ask why a concussion test was done on a bench, when in recent years, it’s been done in the changerooms? I don’t mind a quick assessment anywhere as long as it’s on protocol and ongoing assessments are done. Just on this example it’s an anomaly location, and thus why...
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    A concussion without a thorough concussion test

    I’m quite intrigued how you know what happened with Sloane and Hamill in the rooms? And what made you seem to think there was no doctor at hand to test him? :) I’m not really arguing with you btw, and I know 20 minutes in the rooms isn’t 20 minutes of testing, but merely 20 minutes time off...
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