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  1. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Mate, I'm all for having positivity for the future, but if you're expecting Hewett and Long to match the output of Rozee and Butters then you're way too optimistic. Reid v JHF, well that might be one to watch moving forward. Champion as an NGA doesn't make any sense either, if he's going to be...
  2. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Again, not having a go, but that list is largely unproven. Harley Reid is probably a sure thing to be a star, but the rest would need to improve substantially to reach the levels of Rozee, Butters, Rachele, Rankine etc. The strategy is the right one, but it's way too early to claim the Eagles...
  3. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    North are going the full teardown rebuild, trying to maximize the top end talent through the draft. Primarily focused on drafting midfield and non-KPP types, then attempting to target KPPs through trading (admittedly with limited success). But if you're just mentioning North to discredit my...
  4. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    That's kinda backwards logic though. You can't apply pre-draft speculation to pick value after the fact. Besides, WC would've definitely taken McKercher at pick 2 regardless, and I don't think I ever saw a trade that included your Hall and Johnston picks going back to North.
  5. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Which trade was this? Not trying to be a smart ass, just genuinely trying to figure out how you came to this conclusion.
  6. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Nah, just pointing out that it's too early to claim WCE are flush with quality. There's still a few lean years ahead for sure. S*** teams can usually only add top shelf talent through the draft, don't ditch your number 1 pick for "quantity".
  7. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    It's weird that I have to quote myself, but yeah your FA and trading so far hasn't screamed prioritizing high quality additions.
  8. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Did you read the original post I was quoting? It argued that WCE were going for a quality over quantity rebuild, then listed a number of speculative late round or MSD players, which is the absolute opposite mentality. Kinda weird to quote someone's post without actually figuring out the context.
  9. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Obviously development is key, but you can't with a straight face list names like Maric, Edwards, Bugriel (lol), Bazzo and Barnett as an argument that you've got "quality" on the list. Every one of those players is speculative at best.
  10. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Quality not quantity, yet you're naming a bunch of non 1st round picks as replacements for your aging stalwarts. Plus your trade/FA period picked up some barely best 22 players at other clubs like Brockman and Flynn. I think you're wildly overestimating your current list if you think you're...
  11. Kangas_11

    Who DON'T you want your team to draft? 2023 Edition

    No choice? We have 3x late 1st round draft picks to target list needs like KPD and Small Forwards. Always pick best player available in the top end of the draft.
  12. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    I guarantee the clowns saying North must draft Sanders because we applied for NGA access will be the same posters that would immediately rip on North for taking another inside mid. It's such an idiotic argument anyway, North will draft what's best for the team moving forward.
  13. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    Lol what? Are you implying clubs direct players to work on different parts of their game, just on the off chance they'll draft them? That's absurd.
  14. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    The most definite part in his article was that there is zero chance that North part with picks 2 + 3 for pick 1. I don't think WC have given a price for pick 1, preferring to see how much other teams would offer, but North have essentially said that 2 + 2× late 1sts for 1 + 23 is as much as...
  15. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    What are you talking about? I never said that O'Brien SHOULD do that. I said that WCE are obviously open to trading the pick, because they haven't come out and said they won't trade pick 1. Bloody hell it's just about impossible to have a half sensible conversation on here.
  16. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    I highly doubt Rawlings will offer anything close to 2 + 3 or F1. Its really weird that Eagles fans think a professional list manager will panic and wildly overpay for pick 1. Living in fantasy land tbh. Far more likely that we drop 23 coming back from the previous offer, anything more and its...
  17. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    The push is from the media, in both Vic and WA, as it's widely acknowledged that WCE need as much talent as possible, they are more than 1 player away from completing the rebuild. The Eagles could literally come out tomorrow and say pick 1 is not for sale and we are taking Reid, ending all...
  18. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    Ah sure, I bet you did mate. Either way, it's super lazy analysis. There's multiple avenues to pick up players outside of the ND, including the MSD, DFA and trading, all of which have been used to address KPPs in recent years. Regardless North need KPPs that's for sure, but to indicate that WCE...
  19. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    Probably better off just copying and pasting that Brisbane blokes entire post here and passing it off as your own analysis at this point. Or maybe just discuss hypotheticals about pick 1 rather than throwing out weird potshots at North.
  20. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Weird to discredit Logue because he's injured. From your list provided, only Allen and Barrass can be classified as decent talls that are relevant to a rebuild (even then, a 28 uear old Barrass is a bit of a stretch). McGovern and Darling will be gone soon and B Williams has been average...
  21. Kangas_11

    Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

    Dude, Larkey and Logue are less than 1 year older than Allen and are heads and shoulders above every other WCE tall named here. Not to say North have an abundance of talls, but bragging about anyone on the Eagles list apart from Allen is a bit of a laugh.
  22. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    We already have 5 first round picks though. I'm not knocking back a fair trade of pick 42, it's a straight up bad trade. I'm a bit confused by your logic, of course pick 11 is better than 15, but pick 3 is better than pick 6 as well. And you misread my post, I disagree with the assumption that...
  23. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    Yeah, happy to agree to disagree tbh. It seems that general consensus in here is picks 2-9 are even, but I strongly disagree. McKercher is clear at #2 after Reid/Walter are 1A/1B. Pick 3 gets whoever has it first choice from that 2nd tier of Curtin, Watson, Duursma, Sanders etc. Personally i...
  24. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    I don't think North should be relying on Melbourne either, but the idea that North will trade pick 3 for unders to Melbourne just to appease WC in a trade for Reid is madness. Best case is just take 2, 3, 15, 17, 18 to the draft and pick up a ton of young talent anyway.
  25. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    Where have you pulled 42 from? This is the initial proposal and response I'm referring to. Regardless, late round picks in a shallow draft aren't going to help Melbourne move up to 3.
  26. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    Counterpoint, your proposal has North giving up more value (points wise) to Melbourne to help them move up the draft. In a draft where the Dees and Dogs have already shown that you need to pay overs to move up, I don't see any reason why North would give a huge discount just to help Melbourne...
  27. Kangas_11

    Play Nice Hypothetical Pick 1 Trade Poll: Pick 1 for Picks 2 & 15 --- Pick 1 & F1 (WCE) for Picks 2 & 3 --- Something else?

    So North move back 3 spots in the pointy end of the 1st round for a 4 spot upgrade in the back end of the 1st round? That's an insanely bad trade for North.
  28. Kangas_11

    Pick 1 2023 Trade value - What would it take?

    Nah, he's saying he only plays 5 good games a year, which is still pretty idiotic tbh.
  29. Kangas_11

    Pick 1 2023 Trade value - What would it take?

    Dude, you obviously know nothing about North's situation off field if you think the assistance package has anything to do with our sustainability as a club.
  30. Kangas_11

    Pick 1 2023 Trade value - What would it take?

    Very few North fans think WCE will pick Curtin with pick 1. Every board has posters with overly biased opinions. The WCE board has multiple posters saying that they wouldn't take 2+3 for 1, which is ridiculous. Kinda stupid to paint an entire fanbase with the same brush as the most insane posters.
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