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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    Fair call on 2013. He had 2 good years from memory, 2011 and 2013, didn't do much outside of that though. Motlop is a lot the same except both his good years have been at Geelong. I think if Fantasia can get his body right it'd be a no brainer to swap Motlop for him, BUT the concern I've got...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    I don't think many crows supporters would be very fussed. Matt too often is looking sideways or backwards and rarely takes the game on. Gets the ball plenty but doesn't hurt opps too often with it.
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    Retired Daniel Talia [retired]

    Yeah I just saw, means the chances of Talia leaving are even more remote!
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    It is used as a guide. There's a formula which spits out a result, and then a committee look at that result and modify it as they see as being justified compensation. So even if he gets a $1M a year the committee could still decide it'll be band 2, or it could go the other way. We have no idea...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    That's why I said I was semi-joking. Of course it's not that simple, and they'll have a dollar value on what pick 15 is worth too so will have to assess the value in paying BCrouch more and his value to their midfield. He won't be offered $800k, but if an extra $50k a year to Brad means they get...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    I was just semi-joking that all the Saints need to do is table an offer that nets the Crows band 1 compo and then they don't have to worry about trading.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Well you know what you have to do to avoid a trade :sweatsmile:.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    https://www.afl.com.au/news/520418/make-a-saint-of-me-crows-mid-crouch-wants-to-join-rising-vic-club
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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    Honestly given his SANFL GF performance I could see a club bidding on him earlier then pick 8, and Port will need to be mindful that anything they give up for Fantasia doesn't leave them short of matching a bid. I think port would be comfortable with trading pick 39 and maybe a future 4th or...
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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    I doubt that bombers will keep him another season. Given his injury history it'll be a pretty base contract at best he'll be signing, so that'll be a 3rd round pick compo. Plus there's the risk that he'll have another badly affected season and may not even get a contract offer which would net...
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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    The bombers would have known when he was getting an independent medical evaluation, generally not too much point getting an external evaluation if you're planning to stay. And the crows would have had contact with Essendon prior to making any public comments regarding a contracted player.
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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    He hasn't had a great run of it so far and only played 8 games this season which included getting overlooked when he was healthy so who knows. And with Jordan Ridley taking his spot he may be excess to needs, but agree that it depends on what happens with the starters you mentioned. I can't...
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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    I think both the bombers and Fantasia's camp are happy to move on from each. Wouldn't mind the crows making a play for him and Aaron Francis as a combo deal for a second rounder or player swap for someone like Kelly and Seedsman.
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    Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

    Doubt any club would pay a 3rd rounder for a player that's seen less than 50% of games over the last 3 seasons, and hasn't had much of an impact the last 2 when he's been on the field. He has talent sure, but it's been a long time since he's shown anything close to consistent football. He'd...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Be a bit funny if crows matched the cats offer and brad goes, cool, I'm going to stay then and doesn't agree to be traded to cats... But seriously I think it'll either be Geelong or Crows next year, I don't see any other team making an offer that the crows would accept or that crouch would...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    He said he loved the footy club and Adelaide and it'd be really tough if he was told by Crows they wanted him to walk. And this is very different to the Jack Martin situation who was told he was a required player at GC, that absolutely won't happen in this situation. Plus no club is going to...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Happens every year though, look at last year with GC's priority pick. Then add father/son's and how Vic clubs have benefited vs interstate clubs... We've been burnt as badly as any other club so if we get the chance then I'd definitely want it. And Port this year too, look at Borlase, no way...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Yeah I don't disagree. It was a video on the AFL site and he was essentially saying that Wines would be seeing out his 2 year contract with the Power. I wouldn't want to give up 2 firsts + Crouch for Wines, that's essentially 3 first rounders, and while Wines has had a really good season, that...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    D Barrett earlier today said to put a line through Wines leaving Port. Not sure if it's 100% but he seemed very adamant that he had heard that there 0% of anything happening in that space.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    While I completely agree that it sounds stupid to do it I would definitely not put it past the AFL haha.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Yeah that's a good example, although as above who knows if a higher band was triggered but the committee lowered the band given GWS had just made a gf. Be hard to imagine the compensation for a team who finished 2nd vs a team that finished last would be the same.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/free-agency That's the AFL's official position on it, and then there's this just to make is slightly more confusing 'In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM –...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    There's no chance that actually happens. We still have Matt on our books plus that would cause a huge amount of drama as well as a lot of negative media attention. There's a reason no club has ever matched an RFA formal trade request. Plenty have been matched in the backroom before a proper...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Smith, Laird, Brown and Milera would all be on decent money, but absolutely we would be nowhere near our cap still.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    And what club is it he wants to go to? That's what makes this difficult, he hasn't ever said he wants out, in fact the only club he's said he wants to be at is the crows. Those examples you gave all had players nominating destinations so it's quite a different scenario, at least right now. He...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    Yeah hard to know but general consensus seems to be that it's short. Add another year to that and it'd be pretty touch and go, maybe still a touch short, probably needs to be around $3.5M over 5 to get it over the line.
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    It's pretty hard to see a deal being able to be done that sees him head to Port. I agree it's about right for his worth but it won't net the crows band 1 and you guys need your pick 1 to match a bid for Jones so don't have capital to trade unless crows are willing to look at draft picks for next...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    How is that cold? Crows told his management to get offers and then they'll sit down and work through them. It's called testing the market and doing proper due diligence. The crows list is in a totally different stage to a list playing finals where they may value him as being a missing piece and...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    This. Anyone who posts on this thread should have to reply to this comment, sums it up perfectly. He's not being pushed out of the club and doesn't want to jump ship. Both parties are being respectful of each others positions and will sit down and work through the best option for both when all...
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    Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

    I think this is definitely Geelong's thinking. Danger has had much more impact recently up forward then in the midfield, so this would provide them with a ready made inside mid replacement and take pressure of Hawkins up forward. And if you can nab another tall option like Cameron then that...
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