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Not physically, no, but they did expend a lot of time, energy, and other people's money in preparing to go.

Well, no, that was the story at the time. But you keep asking your dad.

So you don't know what it was, yet you criticise it. For your education, Brisbane being a relatively low profile team in Qld, players didn't have the opportunities to make money outside of football in that state. This created a situation where high profile footballers would move back to...

Brisbane didn't have COLA.

And how many visitors to the Gold Coast bring cars?

http://www.qt.com.au/news/lions-blow-final-whistle-on-springfield/2580746/

I'd have based them at Southport. Somewhere close enough so that holiday makers might consider spending an afternoon at the footy. Carrara is so far away that going to the footy has to be a planned exercise. So there's no "Darl, you want to read a book this arvo? Fair enough, I might wander up...

It has to be the job of the clubs, not the AFL, to be the face of AFL promotion in the frontier states. The AFL don't have the players, the clubs do. The AFL don't have any sort of local connection, the clubs should. Brisbane have been horribly run in recent years, including the shift to...

I was thinking that. But equally, they need to do something about how memberships are calculated. Both Richmond and Hawthorn claim to have 70K+ members. However, last Friday night at the MCG which was, for the purposes of membership, a "home" game for both clubs, attracted less than 50K...

To be fair, there is one excuse. The two compromised drafts really did make it difficult for the clubs at the bottom at the time to make headway. Swans, Hawthorn, and Geelong had powerful lists already and have managed to trade with that foundation. That said, Carlton have a stack of high draft...

You're doing to Friday Night Football what Carlton did last year. Bringing the game into disrepute.

Port Adelaide v Geelong drew exactly the same ratings as Carlton v Richmond (which is effectively a Friday night match). Seems to me it's as much the interstate clubs driving those ratings as it is the so called Big 4. Hawthorn are a big driver of viewers. So are Sydney and Freo. Despite...

How many of those were on Friday night?

I think the key point is that clubs need to establish a point of difference to survive. The Dogs have worked it out. Expanding out to Ballarat means they are going to "own the West". The Saints might be starting to work it out, but very belatedly. They need to change their name to Southern...

Sydney are always pondering that. And that's why they are pouring money and resources into ensuring it doesn't happen again. What are Richmond doing?

I'd like to see clubs like Richmond to become lifters and not leaners.

Not really. Richmond's home crowds against interstate clubs drops to an average of below 40,000 (season 2015). Whilst this is still higher than West Coast (35,000), it's nowhere close to Adelaide's 46,000.

It's not a stunning statistic. It's a bullshit one. The reason for the discrepancy is that the vast majority of the Big 4 games are played in Melbourne against local opposition. Of the interstate clubs, only 2 games per year are played against local opposition. Never mind the biased fixturing...

Want to stop and have a think about why this is an utterly ridiculous statistic?

You traded in Yarran when you could have drafted Dunkley. Stop blaming other clubs for your own club's incompetence.

Richmond.....

Yep.

Further, Victoria has a GDP of $34 million per club. Tasmania has a total GDP of $25 million. Noting that the wealth across Victorian clubs is a long way from evenly spread, it makes as much sense to field a side in Tassie as it does to sustain a non-commercially viable side in Victoria.

Yeah I guess so. But the idea that Tasmanian supporters wouldn't jump aboard a Tasmanian side is complete bullshit. Of course they would. Whether that amounts to a Tasmanian side being commercially viable is another matter.

Lovely to see all the Hawks here advocating against something that might spell the end of their free ride. What next? Someone will make you pay rent?? :eek:

My experience was more with South Australians, who would know with the Sandgropers, they live on the other side of the world. But certainly all the South Australians I knew, and there were a lot as Dad lived there for 10 years, had strong allegiences to Victorian clubs.

That argument is silly. If you applied that then the expansion into WA and SA would have failed. They all had VFL teams they supported.

Without knowing the ins and outs of this if the Collingwood Football Club were not top of Sydney Swans' priority list in this matter you can probably ask your President why that might be the case.

Don't bother with him, mate. He's willfully ignorant when it comes to footy funding and distribution. He's had it explained to him patiently at least a dozen times with links to financial reports and the like but then just pops up again with the same ignorant crap in another thread.

Do you reckon, knowing what you know, that Franklin gets a cent more than he's entitled to under the cap/ASA's?