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Alright mate, good post. Sorry, I live in Scotland and we call each other "mate" here, it's a custom, I'm not sure about in Australia. Please don't take offence.

Bohemians (small club) beat Slavia Prague (massive club) 1-0 only last year. How many VFL clubs won flags from the mid-1960s through to the mid-1980s? Six I believe (and five if you start after 1966): Carlton, St Kilda, Richmond, Essendon, North Melbourne, Hawthorn (no pro-rel to blame there)...

Czech Premier League, 2019-20: That's pretty balanced and even I would say. Ten points separated third from tenth. Bottom club won five games (some years in the 1980s St Kilda or Melbourne would have died to have achieved five wins, same with the Suns in their first few years)...

I think an ambitious amateur club would much prefer to be in A-grade rather than B-grade. In soccer you have had one club recently, Gwelup Croatia, get promoted from the amateurs up through about six tiers to the WA Premier League.

Yes, I used to enjoy WA premier-league soccer (supporting Perth Italia) as the games were much more enjoyable to watch than the A-League. It seems that the spectacle improves, up to a certain point, as quality improves but beyond that the spectacle deceases with quality. You couldn't beat the...

I think the OP was describing a two-division system with promotion and relegation. But conferences are obviously another possibility.

The old VFA had promotion and relegation, so do the amateur footy leagues, at least they do in Western Australia.

Yes, in one way, it is because they always lose more games than they win. But at least they feel they are 'up there" in the big league with more media coverage, TV live games occasionally, and long match reports in the newspaper.

Hamilton Accies has been in the Scottish top league for a number of years now despite having home crowds of around 1,000 to 2,000 and being miniscule in every material respect. Every year people predict them to go down but they escape the trapdoor right at the death.

Then they would be motivated to play brilliant football to get back up into the top division. it is happening right now around the world in thousands of leagues.

So having a pyramid system, like in European soccer, s crazy but having a cartel franchise model like North American sport is not? You must be Dennis Cometti.

It depends how tightly you define "good". Three premierships in three years (Brisbane Lions) or three in four years (Carlton, 1979-82) were certainly good. OK, if West Coast had win the 1993 flag it would have been three-in-a-row which would have been very good. Why didn't they even make the GF...

85-90% was a guesstimate without looking at the actual teams. Sorry, I should have made that clear. looking at the 1986 Australian Football Championships page on Wikipedia, these players played in both games for WA: Mark Bairstow Shane Ellis Paul Harding Laurie Keene Dean Laidley Dwayne Lamb...

I lived in Perth in the 1980s and 90s, now moved away. What I think is the problem is that Mick Malthouse was such a smooth businessman and self-promoter (a bit of a Brendan Rodgers-type, referring to the Celtic and Leicester manager) that he managed to avoid the criticism he should have...

West Coast have not won three flags in a row or even back-to-back flags. And, yes, in 1987 they had a virtual state side. Of course there were a few exceptions such as Hardie, Michael Mitchell, Mark Bairstow, and Peter Wilson. But if you look at the 1986 WA State of Origin team and the 1987...

I wasn't comparing West Coast and Collingwood, I was saying West Coast does not have a good performance record over the 33 years since it was founded. Of course Fremantle's record is even worse than West Coast's, as is Collingwood's. As West Coast had a state side in 1987, they should have won...

Julie Bishop went to Fiji as Foreign Minister and made a big fuss about Nic Nat being Fijian. Of course very few people in Fiji know who Nic Nat is - Fiji is a hardcore rugby country. Talk about the "Perth bubble", i.e. West Coast are big in Perth, therefore, they must be big in some sort of...

4 premierships in 33 years - not a great result considering for the first ten years you had a WA state side and in the 90s you only ever beat Geelong in GFs. Carlton won 3 flags in 4 years, 1979-82, now that is success.

I grew up in Perth and I don't count those West Coast fans as real fans because they all abandoned their WAFL clubs in Round 1, 1987.

I grew up in Perth and I don't count those West Coast fans as real fans because they all abandoned their WAFL clubs in Round 1, 1987.

There is probably not much Fremantle support in the south-eastern corridor but yes, it's not a relatively rich set of areas and West Coast has moved into Lathlain so there's that aspect as well. PS Maybe it should be in Bunbury? Corporate support might be a problem though.

My mistake. I guess I only can compare what I know - Scotland and Australia are where I have spent most of my life. Actually St Mirren home games (crowd around 5,000) remind me of WAFL games in the 1980s while Rangers' home games remind me of WAFL Grand Finals. And the Motherwell "away" stand...

I agree that the eastern region is probably less committed to Fremantle and (maybe) West Coast too. But it's a huge area with not much in common. Demographically, the Pertb Football Club zone from Victoria Park down to Kelmscott, along the Armadlate train-line, is fairly culturally similar still...

Don't West Coast Eagles dominate the northern corridor right up to wherever it extends to these days? I don't live up there so I'm not completely sure.

What about admitting WAFL club Swan Districts as the third club? It covers the north-eastern suburbs and has a fanatical, traditional supporter-base just like Port Adelaide Magpies.

Very good point. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because of all the Champions and Europa League money and TV money which goes back to Cektic and Rangers. I would much prefer Glasgow support to be divided evenly among all Glasgow clubs in the same way as WAFL support is in Perth and...

Toowoomba 90% league and rugby, 10% shared by AFL and soccer.

You may say that, but it is better being a Hamilton, Livingston, Motherwell or St Mirren fan than it is being a Fitzroy fan. smaller clubs can get to the SPL and, if relegated, there is somewhere for them to go to. Fitzroy had no safety-net. I was holding up the pyramid system as an example, not...

I live in Scotland at the moment. Tiny teams like Hamilton and Livingston (average home crowds 1,000 - 2,000) play giant behemoths like Rangers and Celtic (average home crowds 50-60,000) in the Scottish Premiership. Despite annual predictions that they will get relegated, Hamilton defy the...

Another solution would be to set up a national-league second-division with promotion and relegation so all clubs could find their level. Promotion and relegation could also connect a second-division with the state-based leagues. To me it's very sad to see a club with such a history and culture...