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Berlin Nuremburg

Excellent example. I had forgotten that. Realist one way of describing him

Churchill was wise though to Stalin. You’d think if it wasn’t June 1944, the western front would have been opened later that year when Germany was collapsing. I guess though this may have resulted in a stand off with the Red Army assuming they carved their way across Germany to France

Indeed he was a realist Purged the army in late 1930s but had no shame bringing back those officers from the cold (at least those who weren’t executed) when he realised he needed their acumen

I would have agreed with that statement a few years back but i think there's a far greater undertanding now of the Eastern Front and how it bled Germany to death. The more.interesting "what if" is if a second front wasnt opened up at Normandy whether Stalin's armies would have continued across...

It defies comprehension

You think the Sorge story of no real relevancy?

Not sure why the vitriol Bradesmaen. I for one didnt know much at all about the Sorge story till Power Raid posted earlier. Not sure how pivotal it was to outomes but an interesting read all the same

Interesting post and you are someone.well across the history. Your last sentence was where i was going. Mein Kampf made it clear that Russia was the end game. The French invasion may have been more about settling scores from 1914 than anything else and Operation Sea Lion always struck me as...

Remember reading one account of soldiers skin being welded to metal guns in an instant due to the insane cold

Even though Germany was the aggressor its hard not to be sympathetic to the plight of the ordinary 6th Army landser, miles from home, frozen, sick and abandoned by its leaders

Staggering per day figure. Its actually impossible in a way to fathom. Remember in the Beevor book a reference to the brutal hand to hand combat that mentioned soliders killing each other with shovels. Hell on earth

Tend to agree I often wondered what the premise/plan was for the attack on France when Nazi Germany's real enemy was the Bolsheviks. A continuation of the Phoney War after the conquering of Poland would have tested the resolve of Britain and France to carry through on their declaration of war...

Paywall Can you summarise?

The german consequence is interesting.

The numbers are staggering . Read that any major building works in the city today often unearth human remains.

Scale of loss is hard for modern generations to fathom.

Just on the Wermacht being in a brittle state 1941 - while that appears true they backed up pretty quickly again once the winter was over. German advancements were significant up until Stalingrad in early 42

Von Mansteins book is hard to get hold of. Wouldnt mind reading it even if Shirer was very critical of him for rewriting history and covering up his knoweldge of what was going on criminally by the Nazis. On a similar theme my library contacting me yesterday to let me know Speers Inside the 3rd...