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Zero chance of that happening. The NT Govt have probably been the most vocal in ensuring the borders stay closed largely due to the fact that such a big proportion of the NT is remote communities where there's minimal infrastructure to deal with an outbreak. Even essential workers are finding...

So if a No voter took issue with Geelong supporting the Yes campaign it's freedom of speech. But if a Yes voter took issue with Geelong supporting the No campaign it would be bullying?

Seriously? People naturally care about things which are closer to home. On a local scale Anthony Mundine (an Aboriginal Muslim) gets heavily criticised for making similar comments on a regular occasion. And on an international level.... I mean did you have the news switched off last week and...

First of all they're not condemning anyone. The GFC supported the Yes vote, they didn't for example say No voters were going to hell, are bad people etc. I'm sure there were members/fans who would've disagreed with the clubs stance and voiced that, as they're entitled to do. Secondly they're...

Considering Ablett doesn't have a history of public comments like Izzy I expect Geelong to warn Ablett, it doesn't need to go beyond that but yep very disappointing from him. Izzy has had plenty of warnings and it would have been pretty explicitly written into his contract to not make...

Lol who the * is asking for censorship? He's aired an opinion that most people disagree with and is being criticised for it. Are people not allowed to have opinions on comments other people make? Izzy has made several comments about LGBT people over the years, and it has a greater and...

They're perfectly allowed to have an opinion, but if you're going to publically air that opinion (especially as prominent sportsmen) then they make themselves open to scrutiny from people who don't share their opinion. People are allowed to criticise others for making shitty, hurtful comments.

Meh I think the truth is in the middle somewhere. Not sure she would've been phased about ditching the Saudi's, Syria was going to be a cluster* regardless of what she chose to do. Goldman Sachs and the swanning around the elite is more on the ball though, and any and every academic jumped...

As a Victorian I've never understood the opposition to DLS that WA and Qld seem to have, even when it gets blazing hot down here (although I guess it does cool down quicker overnight generally). I was up in FNQ this time last year and found the almost total darkness by 7pm was ridiculous. I'm...

That moment you open a thread that you thought was about the National Anthem.

In Tony's defence he did say you shouldn't believe everything he says :)

I'm alright with seeing how it goes for a few months and reevaluating after that.

Like Mal I feel like the standard has gone downhill and maybe our current policies of mega threads which are largely a back and forth name calling contest between a select group of regular posters from both sides of the spectrum and it isn't fostering a better environment for discussion. Even...

I think we've gotten the name calling out of the way now guys. Back on track thanks.

And it shows how outmatched anyone would be in a situation like that. What's the point of so many people carrying a gun if they're incapable of protecting themselves? It just heightens the risk someone would do something stupid with it at some point while it's fairly useless in precisely the...

It's not just radical Muslims. Even 'liberal' places like the UAE discriminate horribly against LGBT people (both the Govt and most of the general public), and only look halfway decent by the fact that their neighbours invoke the death penalty for it.

This case also goes to show how ridiculous the carrying for self defence argument is. Not going to stand any chance against someone with an assault rifle who has the element of surprise unless you're also carrying an assault rifle in public..

I think this thread has just about ran it's course now guys...

I didn't realise the Russians were in and out of Syria within the same day :drunk:

I agree, but it still needs to be done in a situation like this really. When they're treating Australian's on death row differently to other nationals on death row in the exact same position then it's pretty obvious what their intentions are regardless of what they're saying. And considering...

Because symbolism isn't useless. Why'd the Indonesians bother doing it re: phone bugging? Fair enough. I agree with that and it is wrong that we do it, but two wrongs hardly make a right and doesn't excuse them. What?? Those are facts though. The Australian media didn't invent the fighter...

Yep I'd say that Australians interest on the execution of Andrew from Sydney would be far greater then Andreas from Stuttgart. Same happens in reverse, the Germans would care a lot more if it was Germans facing the firing squad and not Australians. That doesn't mean approval of the death...

Because that's taking it to a logical extreme and would be ridiculous. When was the last time America executed an Australian? Let alone executed an Australian for a crime that didn't involve directly killing others? You can be universally against the death penalty but you have to face the...

Of course it's symbolic. I wasn't suggesting that it was anything but. However it's a pretty standard way to protest an action of another nation just like Brazil and the Netherlands have already done, just like the Indonesians did to us over our bugging of their phones... What would you have...

No need to make it about us, it should be about them handling international diplomacy with the skill and nuance of someone who only just started Year 12 International Studies classes :eek: But trolling them would be entertaining at the very least :straining:

I think recalling the ambassador is pretty appropriate in response to the death penalty (and that should be universal, not just specifically targeted at Indonesia). However the Indonesian ambassador + some diplomats because their ambassador is already in Jakarta atm really should've been sent...

Guys lets try and a) not make it overly personal and b) keep it a bit more on topic, thanks.

You didn't even read my post. When did I ever suggest it did? Nothing justifies the existence of a group like ISIS, but we played a central role in creating this monster and if we don't learn from our mistakes then we'll face many more ISIS's in the future. If you want to naively believe that...

So are we ignoring the Christian death squads in Africa now? And violent Hindu and Buddhist groups too? Or even the Jewish groups in Israel? Or is it just Muslims capable of this kind of thing? The only difference between those groups and Jihadist groups is that they don't represent a threat to...