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"I've made up an insane conspiracy theory in my head about a 19 year old football player, and I am now calling it a civic duty to be angered by this for the next decade-plus and never move on." That's certainly a choice in how to spend your time. Very well adjusted.

You think the AFLPA would agree to that? They'd just say aiight, we don't agree to any illicit drug testing anymore.

Unless I've read this wrong - Gary Ablett Senior has a Norm Smith.

I love the Burgoyne brothers and Shaun had incredible longevity, but 4x AA and 4x B&F between the Cornes brothers vs 1x AA between the Burgoyne brothers... I'm giving it to the Cornes. I think people's opinions of them off the field lead them to forget just how damn good they were on the field...

Chad and Kane Cornes Chad: 255 games 179 goals 2004 Premiership player 2x All Australian (once as CHB, once on wing) 3rd in 2004 Brownlow as a CHB Kane: 300 games 2004 Premiership player 4x B&F 2x All Australian

Ah yes, West Coast have just sacked their coach and their new coach is currently embroiled in scandal with his future up in the air. Orrr... their coach is a premiership winning coach, the club is the richest in the league and they have stability even through down years?

19 Aug 2022 - Alastair Clarkson is appointed head coach of North Melbourne. 2 Oct 2022 - JHF requests trade from North Melbourne. You're right, you've got the timeline completely correct. Clarkson was appointed and then absolutely NOTHING HAPPENED and then that individual still left. Oh...

I can genuinely say that I have never heard "2001-onwards" being referred to as "the modern game" before this thread. It feels like you arbitrarily made up that date.

Well in that case, 2000 Essendon, often called the greatest team of all time, with one loss for the year and a winning percentage of 159.1 should have even more than nine players in the AA team! ...nope, four. Geelong were absolutely overly represented in the late 2000s for the All Australian...

The Geelong 2007 - 2009 years were a big anomaly in AA selection. Just from a Port point of view... we finished second in 2007 yet only had 2 make the final team. Geelong had 9 make the team. Ridiculous. They were definitely the best team that year, but gee that's very skewed. They had 7 make...

Doesn't really erode the trade value... Because that pick can go to any team, it's about who bids higher, which is a situation you don't get in regular trades.

Haha come on, man. At least be honest with your cherry picked stats. Tom Hawkins was coming off a 62 goal, All Australian season the year before. Mitch Lewis is coming off a 37 goal season. Lewis is great, but you can't use this as evidence that he's as good as (or anywhere near really) Tom...

Chad played everywhere but ruck, gets criminally underrated for how versatile he was. Started as a key forward, moved to CHB in 04 and was AA, moved into the midfield in 07 and was AA.

Oh no, but you see, Ben Jacobs was nice enough to see out his two year contract. Which then left us with absolutely nothing when he walked out on us. But that's different, we weren't in a position where we needed our young high draft picks to rebuild the club... oh wait, it was 2011/2012 when...

If you think that even before NIL (with big name college athletes now earning millions) that college boosters weren't going out of their way to ensure that star college athletes weren't living a total life of luxury, I don't know what to tell you. Comparing the AFL to any American sports...

Nah, I'm good with it. If he's earning $9.2 Million a year, he can fly his entire family out to live near him and set them up for life if he so desires. In the AFL, he has to be on the rookie scale which is the same for every player for their first two years from picks 1 to 20, slightly lower...

The irony is so thick it almost hurts.

I think another thing that might change the perspective of professional athletes in the USA is that they're getting paid squillions of dollars. I'm sure JHF would have stayed at North if it meant he was being paid $9.2 Million a year (the salary of the number one pick in the NBA). The AFL just...

Reports from preseason were he's already North's best player. That was coming from David King. He had a terrific debut showing glimpses of how good he could be. He got around the team and they got around him. To say he wasn't giving it a good hot go in the beginning is rewriting history...

It's also not draft tampering in any way - North had every opportunity to provide him with an environment to make him want to stay. The onus is on them. They also had him for a second year in his contract and could have held him to it to try and change his mind on staying. They didn't.

Probably when JHF's manager reached out to Port saying he was interested in a trade to them, and wanted to know what they would be prepared to offer?

Draft tampering = drafting a player and then when the environment isn't what he's expecting and he's not meeting standards and it's beneficial to move him on for maximum draft capital, trading him while under contract. No no no no... see what happened is when he was in his draft year, he was...

Or maybe, just maybe... He really did want to get picked by North and play for them, but the experience wasn't what he expected, he wasn't emotionally mature enough, the club didn't support him enough and they both made mistakes. Then a deal was reached that was beneficial for both player and...

One thing being missed... JHF hasn't said a word about the booing, he hasn't been affected by it, so the whole "he needs to just put up with it" narrative is just describing what he's already doing. The media talk about it. Ken has spoken about it. JHF just plays football and he plays well...

Paul Salmon would be my pick. 205cm, elite ruck or forward, exceptional mark and a great kick for goal. Kicked 63 goals in his second season from 13 games. Be handy in the modern game for teams that need a forward who is a good backup ruck.

It has to be Scott Lucas's final quarter against West Coast doesn't it?

Absolutely it's due to the different roles they were playing, with an inside/outside mid being a much more difficult role to play than a half back. Found this article about his year...

A team that won two games and got absolutely belted off the park in most of the losses and you're bringing up Brownlow votes? GWS best Brownlow vote getter was Giles with 7, followed by Ward with 5 and Greene with 4. From 2 wins. Daicos got 11 votes from 16 wins. Only reason he didn't...

Toby Greene averaged over 27 touches a game, over 3 tackles a game, almost 5 clearances a game in a much more difficult position and finished runner up in his team's best and fairest in his first year. All these results are better than Nick Daicos and at the very least a solid argument can be...

These are my favourite marks that I got to see live, so they all hold a special spot. Wingard's was 20 metres from me, which was just crazy to see.