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Two problems with 4. (1) A lot of years there's not going to a massive drop off between teams finishing 14th and 15th. Teams finishing 13th , 14th and 15th coudld be seperated by percenateg and could be more about the draw and who they played than actual long term list condition. There not...

Platers are not leaving Syndey and Brisbane in Droves, They are leaving All of them. There was nothing stopping ANY other club form seeking to get this talent.

Steepen the curve, 4th rounds picks should not be worth any points at all. Have pick 54 with 9 pick 1 worth 3,000 and run a stepper curve. With Round 3 not worth much points a of of the shenanigans will be harder.

The HAS done something. It gave VERY generous entry concessions. That were hugely unequal to the Other clubs. Then AFL did more gave these club Academies. A long term advantage that could seriously help these clubs. It's UNEQUAL in favor of these clubs. GCS stuffed it up. It happens. Starting...

Gold coast I would rather see a long term plan than the short term fix of priority picks. Maybe something in regards the academy.

It a list profile that Carlton have created. Carlton have chosen to be pathetic. No sympathy it's situation of their own making.

So basically nothing. Why would we do it? It's what you offer for fringe players who can't get a game. I'm an Elliot fan and would keep almost regardless. he gets fit he'll be ideal in the current forward line.

You can't fix chronic long term bad management by some clubs. Some clubs have been down for a whiel mostly because they repeated made dumb decisions and are noncompetitive because they deliberately traded out their mature players for a rebuild. Some clubs are going to get things wrong. You...

But is there 5 times more players returning to Victoria?

On balance the interstate clubs pick players for under more than victorian clubs. Simple supply in demand when players to interstate less bidders. Melbourne is a crowded market.

its interesting as lot of this guys/boys are a bit out of sight particularly form Melbourne.

because I want agreement the metrics. if you just look at first round pick that move without any real parameters on it there isn't much difference competition wide. but that includes a lot of players moving at the end of the careers and a lot of fringe players being churned. I suggest players...

why the focus of first rounders which player was a better get Karnezis or Beams? It's about Talent retention does it matter which round or home grown or interstate.

sure fine no one is arguing otherwise. they represent a competitive advantage I suggest we estimate how much and compare it to the disadvantage claimed as method of evaluating how fair they are.

Sigh Once more with feeling. Player leave. regardless of home started there is a level of players leaving clubs that that is normal. DO determine how much the Brisbane or any clubs experience is different , you have determine the average number players leaving, regardless of state of origin our...

Tom Bell?

poor drafting, not a round one talent, it was swap of fringe players, hardly a highly rated player on the move. 11 games, 7 games , 3 games was he injured otherwise not breaking into a poor side. looked very VFL at collinwgood.

It' and just picks going home, just coz a victorian leaves brisbane for victorian don't mean he's going home. Players leave clubs.There is a sort of usual attrition, calculate the cuber and then see whats leaving brisbane above and beyond that. Missed Scully , though they had the magic sprinkle...

The facts are the ladder positions. But there is a large difference between poor seasons and abysmal seasons. Are you denying that Brisbane recently seasons have been significantly poorer than Collingwood and Richmond? Richmond and collingwood have the delusions of competitiveness, if you...

another assault designed to go the man, and shut down any real discussion. oh he's raising issues that SOME of brisbane problems are self inflicted, quick quick shut him down, stop the conversation, he must be abused and shut up. really., Yup and consideration of any other factors whats ever...

Have you considered why:? Ho who you rate Brisbane management over the last 7 years? do you think it's an attractive club to go to? DO you think more players leaving in a given year isn't related to being the midst of some pretty terrible seasons? 2010 13/16 2011 15/17 2012 13/18 2013 12/18...

Players don't come out say it was about the money, I don't think we can just universally accept player statements as definitive. Xavier Ricards was selected in two finals too. who would O'bree force out of the Lions GF sides.

wood ( 9 games) was one of 4 rucks along with 2007 Charman (17 games). Macdonald (8 games), Leunberger (9 games) there a fair argument that he wasn't in the top 2 of that lot and thus an argument for him seeing better pastures. Henderson was part of the fervola trade, ions that just a...

I have raised a number of points about the statistics and talked about how better statistics could be structured. But I'm really reluctant to go away and do the work when you dismiss EVERYTHING without the slightest consideration. I've started dong some analysis but without some discussion it's...

really. you haven't refuted my points you just say any argument is rubbish, without actually entering the actual debate, there is more to debating than just chanting "I'm so good" and "you are shite".

To make the claim that Brisbane is disadvantaged by having to draft interstate players, the absolute rate of players leaving Brisbane isn't enough, any statistical analysis that is relevant has to lookout the comparison of homegrown players leaving clubs in general, compared to to interstate...

sure the stats are not proven invalid burt there are probable problems with their methodogly. Thats enough toot accept them at face value. Sure /i haven't proven a counter argument, i have only pointed out some flaws in the statistics presented, and unless those factors are addressed then what...

thats the piont you exactly failing to understand, and what is totally lacking in the graphic stats. non-interstate players leave to, if brisbane are being disadvantaged you at the right homegrown players leave clubs across the competition compared to the rate interstate players leave clubs IF...

refusal to face the facts can be annoying. You guys never go go we hadn't thought of that good piont, now you first response is your post is invalid, you are crazy, bais, or whatever, you just attack the man and ignore the argument. brisbane may have experienced more interstate players "going...

The quotes don't mean much, The leigh quotes are just press releases form the propaganda department. Players will pile on the go home factor as it;s often the easy answer, very few are going to say it was the money, or rtes club was being run very badly, Sloppy cherry picked data. Slick piece...