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Sounds straight from the Donald Trump playbook. When all else fails, invent a conspiracy. For what it is worth, I rate Riewoldt a better player than Hawkins in terms of value to his team. In my view he gets to and influences more contests in a game than Hawkins. From purely a goal kicking point...

I don't think Naughton's potential ceiling is as high as the King brothers. If I had to pick a KPF today for the future it would be one of the Kings (I think at the moment there is very little to split them, Ben maybe because he has an extra year of experience).

On paper I think Ablett, Danger, Selwood is a fair way ahead of Voss,Black,Aker. Ablett and Danger are superior players to Black and Akermanis. Voss and Selwood about cancel each other out. I think it is closer between Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Ablett, Danger, Selwood. Selwood and Kerr cancel...

Joe might get to 100 if he has 450 shots in a season.

I think the Hawks dominance over the past 6 or 7 years makes people wary tipping against them. 2016 had the whiff of decline about them - lots of scrape throughs that I think made their season look flattering. But on paper they really do look like a team with a lot of holes. The big ifs for them...

If Josh Bruce can go from defender to forward, no doubt Weitering will be able to do it. Just because he plays back now does not mean that is only position he can play. looks better on the ground than Jesse, looks to read the play better and he seems to have great leadership qualities. Hogan...

Weitering for me. What tips me is his character - I think he will come to represent Carlton the way Riewoldt represents StKilda, he will set the standards his teammates aspire too for the next 10 years. Jesse I think at this stage is not showing the same leadership qualities.

Well I think anyone who says either is better than the other is talking out their backside. They are two very different players with under 60 games between them.

You should learn to recognise a piss take of a piss take thread when you see it.

Don't worry, no one is taking it seriously.

Bont will get there one day. But until he can orchestrate a 55 point turnaround most peple are obviously going to vote Jack ahead of him.;)

Well one day, someone will break the mould. Maybe it will be Daniher. But to date all the great forwards I can think of have been under 198 and I think that is down to mobility issues.

Yeah I see what you are saying but 194 - 196 cms towers over the KPFs of the 90s. From the players I have seen, once you reach 200cm there is a compromise in mobility and ability below the knees. I think the ideal KPF height, the sweet spot, is 194 - 198 players like Franklin, Reiwoldt, Brown...

I think Franklin has a touch of the old days about him but he is about the only one. In the 80s/90s you had Carey, Lockett, Ablett, Van der Haar, Brereton etc - all players that were a bit touched and a bit individual.

Can't see any of this list not being good players. McCartin and Hogan are almost complete unknowns at AFL level so could be anything or nothing. Cameron is clearly ahead of the rest. I like the look of Daniher and Boyd but the history of players that size (200+) becoming the best KPFs in the...

Getting over Sydney is a big task. They are in a serious vein of form. If we do make semis I would expect we will be 40/60 vs either Hawthorn or Geelong. About what we were in the Grand Final last year. Yes we can beat them. Saints are a very finals hardened unit and they do not often lose...

Davis had a purple patch in 2009. This lifted what we expected from him. In truth it is more likely that his real output is what he has delivered in the other 7 years. He is just a pretty average small forward.

Very surprised by the poll results. I'd have thought that the Pies have another 2-3 years of window. Saints under most pressure for me. Maybe another year to do it at best, 5 preliminary finals in last 7 years, if they come away from this era with nothing they will sorely feel it.

That is really hard. I have to look at 2005 and 2006 and Judd just played a game no one else could play. But in a way I want to say Buckley and a player you don't have on the list, Rob Harvey. Because both were right up there and did not play in superstar midfields (Ablett, Voss, Judd) or...

You make it very hard because he is a great player but you have him above and beyond so it is going to sound like I am being critical - and I am not.. Aussie Jones was a rebounding half back before the mid 2000s (and I can only think of him because he is a Saint, I am sure there are plenty of...

It seems everyone is either yes the do it secretly or yes but they do it openly. There seems little doubt that the draw is anything but random and it is very hard to explain the draws Collingwood gets any other way. The number of games they play at the MCG is just absurd. Due to the 22 game...

You somehow seem to think you have been quite clever. Everyone else is just thinking "Tosser". Second lamest thread so far this year.

And in this poll, which question would you think would tilt it our way? When you have a two question poll in which selecting either question is a negative for StKilda, the only result you CAN get is 100% vote against StKilda. You are so stupid you haven't even seen that but please don't assume...

There are so many ways you can use the ball. Judd is by far the best I have seen at handballing under pressure since Greg Williams....rarely stopped from getting a handball to a player in better position. Judd is not the greatest kick. Gilbee is a good kick but Goddard is better and...