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Don’t know about shits on the 04 team had a prime Fraser Gehrig at Full forward and Harvey was still playing good football what held them back was an average coach like grant Thomas

Whilst I agree obviously the 09 team was by far a better team I would take marshal any day over a ageing gardener/king

No one can predict the future champ it’s all well and good to sit back a few years later and say the hype wasn’t worth it but all can do at the time is assess a players value from what they have produced up to that point which for him was elite for a young key forward you seem to be having...

A what so you’re trying to make a argument based on hindsight and what’s happened since the trade ? On Hogan’s exposed form at Melbourne prior to the trade which is what you base it of he was absolutely worth the hype how many young kp forwards average almost three goals a game in there first...

Yeah no ones doubting bens ability also could have been due to people wondering how competitive Gold Coast as a team were going to be

If you look at Hogan’s goals to games played he would compare very well to any Forward present or past I’m not sure exactly what freo payed in trade but I don’t remember it being overly high for a key position player

Did you watch any of Hogan’s games in his first couple of seasons ? his one of the most naturally talented young forwards I’ve ever seen play his problem now is above the shoulders nothing to do with his talent or ability!

Think it was more a case that max hadn’t played yet and people were going of there junior records where ben was good but max was was absolutely dominating prior to injury

Channel 7 and Foxtel would laugh in the afl face if they tried none of the interstate clubs rate very well except for the wa clubs