Coach “He’s simply getting on with the job of navigating a young group through the perils of inconsistency...”

[tribey]

Says Keith Thomas, in his recent email.

R01 vs MELBOURNE (W by 26)
• Port average age: 25y 9d
• Dees average age: 24y 98d
• Port total experience: 2192 games
• Dees total experience: 1675 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R02 vs CARLTON (W by 16)
• Port average age: 25y 16d
• Blues average age: 24y 257d
• Port total experience: 2214 games
• Blues total experience: 1719 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R03 vs BRISBANE (L by 17)
• Port average age: 25y 66d
• Lions average age: 25y 49d
• Port total experience: 2241 games
• Lions total experience: 2101 games

Verdict: same age & more experienced

R04 vs RICHMOND (L by 7)
• Port average age: 25y 73d
• Tiges average age: 23y 343d
• Port total experience: 2263 games
• Tiges total experience: 1634 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R05 vs WEST COAST (W by 42)
• Port average age: 24y 318d
• Eagles average age: 26y 242d
• Port total experience: 2137 games
• Eagles total experience: 2785 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R06 vs N. MELBOURNE (W by 16)
• Port average age: 24y 266d
• Kangas average age: 25y 334d
• Port total experience: 2039 games
• Kangas total experience: 2303 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R07 vs COLLINGWOOD (L by 39)
• Port average age: 24y 150d
• Pies average age: 26y 20d
• Port total experience: 1900 games
• Pies total experience: 2483 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R08 vs ADELAIDE (L by 20)
• Port average age: 24y 226d
• Crows average age: 26y 34d
• Port total experience: 1845 games
• Crows total experience: 2190 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R09 vs GOLD COAST (W by 38)
• Port average age: 24y 182d
• Suns average age: 23y 183d
• Port total experience: 1788 games
• Suns total experience: 1373 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R10 vs HAWTHORN (L by 31)
• Port average age: 25y 45d
• Hawks average age: 26y 39d
• Port total experience: 2052 games
• Hawks total experience: 2487 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R11 vs ST. KILDA (W by 70)
• Port average age: 25y 21d
• Saints average age: 24y 147d
• Port total experience: 2057 games
• Saints total experience: 1551 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R13 vs FREMANTLE (L by 21)
• Port average age: 25y 34d
• Freo average age: 24y 259d
• Port total experience: 2067 games
• Freo total experience: 1842 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R14 vs GEELONG (W by 11)
• Port average age: 24y 280d
• Cats average age: 26y 189d
• Port total experience: 2031 games
• Cats total experience: 2738 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R15 vs W. BULLDOGS (L by 25)
• Port average age: 24y 206d
• Scray average age: 24y 187d
• Port total experience: 1970 games
• Scray total experience: 1807 games

Verdict: similar age & more experienced

R16 vs ADELAIDE (W by 57)
• Port average age: 25y 133d
• Crows average age: 26y 280d
• Port total experience: 2293 games
• Crows total experience: 2626 games

Verdict: younger & less experienced

R17 vs BRISBANE (L by 48)
• Port average age: 26y 56d
• Lions average age: 25y 58d
• Port total experience: 2607 games
• Lions total experience: 1990 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R18 vs RICHMOND (L by 38)
• Port average age: 25y 322d
• Tiges average age: 25y 203d
• Port total experience: 2418 games
• Tiges total experience: 2441 games

Verdict: similar age & experience

R19 vs GWS (L by 1)
• Port average age: 25y 235d
• Giants average age: 25y 129d
• Port total experience: 2380 games
• Giants total experience: 1912 games

Verdict: similar age & more experienced

R20 vs ESSENDON (W by 59)
• Port average age: 25y 255d
• Bombers average age: 24y 303d
• Port total experience: 2410 games
• Bombers total experience: 1771 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R21 vs SYDNEY (W by 47)
• Port average age: 25y 361d
• Swans average age: 23y 277d
• Port total experience: 2552 games
• Swans total experience: 1676 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

R22 vs NTH MELBOURNE (L by 86)
• Port average age: 25y 287d
• Kangas average age: 26y 70d
• Port total experience: 2525 games
• Kangas total experience: 2590 games

Verdict: similar age & experience

R23 vs FREMANTLE (W by 43)
• Port average age: 26y 41d
• Freo average age: 24y 52d
• Port total experience: 2612 games
• Freo total experience: 1668 games

Verdict: older & more experienced

 

[tribey]

I don’t need to summarise those numbers and results into fancy graphs, do I.

 

[Us against the rest]

I don’t need to summarise those numbers and results into fancy graphs, do I.

Nah, they speak for themselves.

 

[tribey]

GWS’ two oldest players on the weekend were the shuffling corpses of Shane Mumford (33) and Dawson Simpson (30). The next guys by age were journeymen Lachie Keefe (29), Sam Reid (29) and captain Phil Davis (28).

GWS had six guys aged 21-and-under: Tim Taranto (21), Brent Daniels (20), Harry Perryman (20), Sam Taylor (20) Bobby Hill (19), Jackson Hately (18).

Port’s 28-and-over guys were: Justin Westhoff (32), Paddy Ryder (31), Robbie Gray (31), Travis Boak (30), Tom Rockliff (29), Matthew Broadbent (29), Hamish Hartlett (28) and captain Tom Jonas (28).

Port had five guys aged 21-and-under: Sam Powell-Pepper (21), Joel Garner (20), Connor Rozee (19), Xav Duursma (19) and Zak Butters (18).

“Young group”

 

[jdeezy]

"Soon, these inconsistent young players will have any skill, flair, dash or goal sense beaten out of them, and they'll be as consistently woeful as the rest of the team. At which point we can blame the next lot of kids. In Ken we trust."

 

[El Zorro]

I don’t need to summarise those numbers and results into fancy graphs, do I.

Of course you do!

 

[Us against the rest]

Janus is KT, it's the supporters fault that the coach stuffs up selections, our goalless quarters, our pathetic skills, oh and losing.

 

[agmsy]

I don’t need to summarise those numbers and results into fancy graphs, do I.

No, but it would be interesting to see histograms of age and experience for each game, to compare distributions.

Are we missing a big chunk in, say, the 23-27 age range, compared to other sides?

 

[Jones2ByrneJones]

The repeated selection of Sutcliffe over promising youth overrides any youth argument Kenny would have been entitled to. The stats are damn damning too.

But I'll need some fancy graphs and colours to really make sense of it. It'll help sell it to social media circles at any rate

 

[tribey]

No, but it would be interesting to see histograms of age and experience for each game, to compare distributions.

Are we missing a big chunk in, say, the 23-27 age range, compared to other sides?

On the weekend (which is largely reflective of the season as a whole), Ages 23-27;

Port: Howard (23), DBJ (23), Amon (24), Clurey (25), Lycett (26), Sutcliffe (27), S Gray (27)

GWS: Himmelberg (23), Finlayson (23), Williams (24), Whitfield (25), Tomlinson (25), Greene (25), Cameron (26), Lloyd (27), Haynes (27)

Absences: Traded Wingard and Polec, and have Wines, Motlop and Watts missing from our first team.

 

[PowerLil]

Janus is KT, it's the supporters fault that the coach stuffs up selections, our goalless quarters, our pathetic skills, oh and losing.

Does Janus' disappearance coincide with Ken fronting the board?

 

[Us against the rest]

Does Janus' disappearance coincide with Ken fronting the board?

mmmm could be on to something there.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

tribey I hope you saw my spreadsheet on page 328 of the Sack Hinkley thread, that I posted last week after Richmond game, with games played and average ages and saved yourself a bit of time typing up that info.

 

[tribey]

tribey I hope you saw my spreadsheet on page 328 of the Sack Hinkley thread, that I posted last week after Richmond game, with games played and average ages and saved yourself a bit of time typing up that info.

I missed it. Sucks to be me.

 

[El_Scorcho]

tribey I hope you saw my spreadsheet on page 328 of the Sack Hinkley thread, that I posted last week after Richmond game, with games played and average ages and saved yourself a bit of time typing up that info.

If that can be put into a fairly easy to read graph, tweeting it at the club would probably be a good idea given they keep leaning on how young we are.

As I posted in another thread, our last 5 losses have been against younger sides on the day.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If that can be put into a fairly easy to read graph, tweeting it at the club would probably be a good idea given they keep leaning on how young we are.

As I posted in another thread, our last 5 losses have been against younger sides on the day.

How is this as a graphic to cut and paste rather than a graph with 3 categories

 

[Alyx]

I am tired, so hopefully I have the correct figures. If not, please forget this ever existed:

 

[1954]

The repeated selection of Sutcliffe over promising youth overrides any youth argument Kenny would have been entitled to. The stats are damn damning too.

But I'll need some fancy graphs and colours to really make sense of it. It'll help sell it to social media circles at any rate

Liked for the use of `damn damning.'

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

To be fair Boak, Gray, Ryder and Westhoff all increase our averages by both age and experience by a fair bit.. without them we would be one of the youngest/inexperienced in the company.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

To be fair Boak, Gray, Ryder and Westhoff all increase our averages by both age and experience by a fair bit.. without them we would be one of the youngest/inexperienced in the company.

All sides bar a couple, have a handful of players that are around the 200 game mark. That's why I put the column of 100+ games + 50-99 game for Port vs the oppo.

 

[NEGAN]

How they presented Ken Hinkley on Footy Classified has got me dumbfounded. A big player for the Carlton job,played the youngsters... supporters are harsh on him....etc

Adding to my bemusement was the way they tee off on Pyke.

What voodoo does this guy have.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

All sides bar a couple, have a handful of players that are around the 200 game mark. That's why I put the column of 100+ games + 50-99 game for Port vs the oppo.

Not many teams would have 4 30+ year olds with 250ish games each in their best 22

Most would have 1. Maybe I’m wrong but I calculations after the WB game and found they had very little 30 year olds in that game, none if I remember correctly, and barely any player over 200 games

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Not many teams would have 4 30+ year olds with 250ish games each in their best 22

Most would have 1. Maybe I’m wrong but I calculations after the WB game and found they had very little 30 year olds in that game, none if I remember correctly, and barely any player over 200 games

Are you guessing or have you actually looked at the individual games. I did when I did my chart that I posted in post #16 above.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Are you guessing or have you actually looked at the individual games. I did when I did my chart that I posted in post #16 above.

No I did the calculations after western bulldogs game coz everyone was saying that we have a young list. I posted it on here in the review thread. It was a while ago now but I remember being surprised that they didn’t have any many 30 year olds or 200+ gamers

In terms of “not many teams would have 4 30+ 250 game players in the best 22” that’s a logical guess. I would be massively surprised if more than 6 teams had similar

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

I’m not defending ken because I want him gone but people saying we don’t have a young group

Under 23 in best 22
Rozee
Butters
Duursma
Houston
DBJ
Howard
SPP
Bonner
Amon
Garner
Burton
Half of our best 22 are 23 and younger

Excluding: Marshall, Drew, Ladhams, Farrell, Frampton, Johnson who have all played games

This group is young. Our numbers are inflated because we have 4 250ish game players over 30 in our best 22