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With three games left and the ladder so tight at both ends every game is a live rubber so to speak. Injuries could be the differance now.

Hows every team travelling on the injury front?
 
My tips for a cold wet day of footy.
Upwey by 25 points over Gembrook, Warby by 10 points over Emerald, Mt Evelyn by 3 points over Monbulk, Wandin by 28 points over Olinda and Woori and Belgrave will have a draw.
If windy at Gembrook, some players will get Hypothermia.
 
What a great round of footy coming up today and with 3 games to go every win is important. The 2 most interesting are Warby V's Emerald & Mt Eve V's Monbulk. If Warby & Mt Eve win today will clear out and battle for 5th. Monbulk have hit some form and will go close today. If they get over the top will make things interesting. They have 3 winnable games coming home and if they win out and Warby fall over, seems crazy, but Monbulk could take 5th spot. The sun is shinning so heres to watching some great football
 
Mounters blew it after slamming on six in the 1st before moanbulk could blink. Moaners just wouldn't go a way. to hard and to commited. thought JD was getting us over the line with a bag but moaners ran all over us.
asada hafta look at em after coming from bottom 2 weeks ago to big finals chance.
 

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Just looking over the fixture and if monbulk beat warby this week (think its been ten yrs since warby has won at monbulk) and emerald beat olinda, then round 18 shapes up as massive. It would mean emerald vs monbulk for fifth spot and olinda vs gembrook for relegation. Lets hope it plays out this way just for the excitement
 
jmac12 said:
Just looking over the fixture and if monbulk beat warby this week (think its been ten yrs since warby has won at monbulk) and emerald beat olinda, then round 18 shapes up as massive. It would mean emerald vs monbulk for fifth spot and olinda vs gembrook for relegation. Lets hope it plays out this way just for the excitement
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It going to be a big two weeks Woori have to play Wandin and Upwey they will also have a battle to hold on to the double chance.
 
Bertron said:
Yep it's going to be a tough couple of weeks for the tigers, those two games will also decide who has the week off
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not sure how either team is placed injury wise in some situations the week off can be more of a hindrance than a help. Its one of the weird things about the final 5 set up
 
I have had a view for a while now, that i thought i would open up to get some opinions on, in relation to our yellow and red card system. Over the last few years i have come to notice that players on a number of occasions have been sent off for pretty soft incidents. It seems that when a game gets willing and testy a way for the umpires to get in control is to hand out a card for the next indiscretion. A yellow card means a team is one short for a period of time. A massive penalty. But what if the umpire just made a simple mistake, we are all human after all? Seems a huge penalty for a team on the back of just a simple mistake. I think that a yellow card for such indiscretion should mean the player is off for a period of time (penalty for the player) but the team can replace that player so it is not punished as a whole. It wont leave the team 1 short but it does limit their rotations.

If the umpire deems the incident to be worthy of a report then i believe the punishment should resort back to what we have in place. A more serious incident would be player off and unable to be replaced for a period of time with the player on report. Does anyone else think this is a better system or am i off the mark? Happy to discuss
 
Backhoe said:
I have had a view for a while now, that i thought i would open up to get some opinions on, in relation to our yellow and red card system. Over the last few years i have come to notice that players on a number of occasions have been sent off for pretty soft incidents. It seems that when a game gets willing and testy a way for the umpires to get in control is to hand out a card for the next indiscretion. A yellow card means a team is one short for a period of time. A massive penalty. But what if the umpire just made a simple mistake, we are all human after all? Seems a huge penalty for a team on the back of just a simple mistake. I think that a yellow card for such indiscretion should mean the player is off for a period of time (penalty for the player) but the team can replace that player so it is not punished as a whole. It wont leave the team 1 short but it does limit their rotations.

If the umpire deems the incident to be worthy of a report then i believe the punishment should resort back to what we have in place. A more serious incident would be player off and unable to be replaced for a period of time with the player on report. Does anyone else think this is a better system or am i off the mark? Happy to discuss
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Only thing i would factor in your discussion is that sometimes there is a perception that umpires will make a subjective call on whether something deserves a red or yellow card. It's actually quite clearly stated in the rules which infringements require yellow and which require red (or nothing at all).
 
ManInWhite said:
Only thing i would factor in your discussion is that sometimes there is a perception that umpires will make a subjective call on whether something deserves a red or yellow card. It's actually quite clearly stated in the rules which infringements require yellow and which require red (or nothing at all).
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This is where the problem lies. Games are won and lost because a umpire gets trigger happy with yellow. Theres no consistency at all.
 
ManInWhite said:
Only thing i would factor in your discussion is that sometimes there is a perception that umpires will make a subjective call on whether something deserves a red or yellow card. It's actually quite clearly stated in the rules which infringements require yellow and which require red (or nothing at all).
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I agree with everything you are saying MIW, and please dont take this as a go at umpires. What i am saying those minor incidents that an umpire feels deserves a yellow card but not a report should be re evaluated. I understand the umpires are doing it to the law. But maybe the law needs to be looked at and changed. Swearing is a common frustration of mine. I do not condone it but it is officated differently every week. Under the heat of battle, grown men are prone to swear at themselves out of frustration. One week it is a straight yellow card, another it is a warning first the next week a team can swear like a ship full of sailors. Is a player swearing to themselves worthy of a team losing a player for a qtr? Or would it be better that player is off for a qtr but the team is able to replace him and not be 1 short?
 
Backhoe said:
I agree with everything you are saying MIW, and please dont take this as a go at umpires. What i am saying those minor incidents that an umpire feels deserves a yellow card but not a report should be re evaluated. I understand the umpires are doing it to the law. But maybe the law needs to be looked at and changed. Swearing is a common frustration of mine. I do not condone it but it is officated differently every week. Under the heat of battle, grown men are prone to swear at themselves out of frustration. One week it is a straight yellow card, another it is a warning first the next week a team can swear like a ship full of sailors. Is a player swearing to themselves worthy of a team losing a player for a qtr? Or would it be better that player is off for a qtr but the team is able to replace him and not be 1 short?
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Didnt a player get suspened for swearing this year? Clearly a pisstake and after the Upwey v Fevola incident another cross for the league.
 

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The yellow card penalty of a player being sent off can decide games and therefore should not be used. Most other leagues allow the player to be replaced penalising the team rather than the player. This is a better system. Personally I do not see the need for a Yellow card at all, what offence falls into the category that it is not reportable but is worthy of penalising a whole team for 1 quarter of football?

My opinion is that YVMDFL umpires tend too get to emotionally involved too often. I have seen them engage with spectators and berate players inappropriately during games on to many occasions. This is why decisions that can significantly alter games should be removed. I would hate to see a Grand Final decided as a result of a poor yellow card been given.
Last season I heard of a player being yellow carded for forgetting to remove a piercing. Just crazy
 
RIP Tony S said:
The yellow card penalty of a player being sent off can decide games and therefore should not be used. Most other leagues allow the player to be replaced penalising the team rather than the player. This is a better system. Personally I do not see the need for a Yellow card at all, what offence falls into the category that it is not reportable but is worthy of penalising a whole team for 1 quarter of football?

My opinion is that YVMDFL umpires tend too get to emotionally involved too often. I have seen them engage with spectators and berate players inappropriately during games on to many occasions. This is why decisions that can significantly alter games should be removed. I would hate to see a Grand Final decided as a result of a poor yellow card been given.
Last season I heard of a player being yellow carded for forgetting to remove a piercing. Just crazy
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I agree that they are, and can be, contentious at times. Pretty sure it is used for neglegent/reckless incidents, maybe MIW can confirm this? I personally don't have a problem with them for a few reasons. Firstly, it's a huge penalty, and because of such, I believe it can make players more accountable for their actions as they don't need to 'toe the line'. Secondly, (and this partially answers your first question) is a late bump. If its late, it's down the field. If its too late, it's a yellow card. Where am I going with this? Because teams can target key opposition players, and it happens all the time. Take a key 'innocent' opponent out the game, then still be able to have 18 on the field but down a rotation merely squares the ledger. That doesn't protect or become even slightly advantageous for the team in the right. Heard third hand (so TBC) of a player getting sent off on the weekend for kneeing his opponent at a stoppage. Again, as the rules in state currently are, this was advantageous to the 'innocent' team as they were apparently down a rotation for the rest of the game due to 'the corkie', yet if they were changed per say, it merely would've squared the available options and not penalized/disadvantaged the offending team?

As I said at the top, it's only my opinion, and I know it's a contentious rule, but I'm all for it.
 
I don't want to go down the path of interpretations as that's a minefield which is best left alone. All I wanted to point out is that:

1. The rulebook quotes various incidents and states they deserve a yellow card. Other incidents are classified as a red card. It's not like an umpire looks at something and says "hmm, I might give that a yellow" or "wow, that was a really bad punch, I'll give him a red". To an extent our hands are tied by what is in the rulebook.

2. By virtue of being in the VCFL, the rules that YV follow in relation to cards are pretty much standard across all comps. Not to say the league might be able to invoke a special by-law but they'd have to show a pretty good case as to why the VCFL standard was good enough for everyone else but not the YV.

3. The removing a piercing situation is an example of damned if you do or damned if you don't. It's in the rules so if we decide to ignore it, you place your own neck on the line for making a judgement call on why you decide to place your own personal view of which rules should be overlooked. Personally I hate the running too far rule - if a team is so slow that 18 guys on the ground can't catch another one, I don't see why they deserve a free kick! But that's not my call - if it happens I have to pay it. Just like the piercings - isn't it just easier to take the bloody thing out and avoid all the drama!

4. With the swearing, not sure what the ruling is this year but in previous years the rule of thumb is that it's a mans game and players do get frustrated. Having said that, the league have done considerable work in promoting the league as very family friendly and the last thing you want is somewhere like Mt Evelyn or Woori where somebody drops the F bomb right in front of all the mums and auskick kids about to come onto the ground. In those situations something should be done and in fairness, I reckon majority of umpires get it right in distinguishing something loud and obscene in front of the crowd vs something under the breath on the far wing. Although, I should say - have been to some clubs (no names!) where the language coming from some of the girlfriends and mums has been 100 times worse than what was on the field!!!
 
Umps never get it right. Supporters know that.
Sack the maggotts and stick the supporters in yellow.

get real. leave the maggots and the rules alone.
 

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footysnumberone said:
Have to agree with the independant tribunal part of this post.
The YVMDFNL tribunal is terrible. And all the sitting members are from around the valley. Some are even involved in clubs. That is definitely NOT independent.
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One of them was a umpire. You can imagine how independent he is.:thumbsdown:
 

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