Past #1: Hamish McIntosh - drafted at pick 9 in '02 ND - traded to Geelong for #36 in '12 trade period

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budge11

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I am saying that the disciplined actions of the players has alot to do with rules set by the coaching staff and the leadership group. Obviously if the players didnt believe in the rules then we would have much bigger problems than what occured at the Lionel Ritchie concert.

Yes lets talk about my Dean. That would be Premiership player Dean. That would be brave enough to put yourself in front of Lockett Dean. That would be the Senior Coach of the NMFC Dean.
He deserves a little bit more respect than what he is getting. All he did was fall out with a player. It happens. Stiff shit. I dont see the need to hang him from the nearest tree.

You are obviously the expert on all things that happen within the walls of Arden St so you must be able to tell what the players think of him and how things are run down at Arden St despite probably never stepping inside a door to the place.
Lets, as you said, talk about Dean.

Shall we look at his recruiting record, or would you prefer not to go into that? His decisions have set us back, I would estimate, 2 years development at the very least. But ok, I guess you won't allow the fault to be with Dean there...

Ermmm... match ups he is very good at, get's the odd one a little mixed up but meh, he's got a better idea than most of us. Swings changes a little too late, but hey, maybe he's got no other option, fair enough. But player selections, surely, are at times a little unfathomable.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but simply by reading what is reported and quotes from our recruiting staff, this decision has shocked the entire club. If Dean can't change Hamishs ways and struggles to motivate some players i.e Harris and perhaps Swallow?, then maybe he doesn't have the communication skills you need in this day and age to coach our team.
 

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You are obviously the expert on all things that happen within the walls of Arden St so you must be able to tell what the players think of him and how things are run down at Arden St despite probably never stepping inside a door to the place.
He may not know everything but you have just gone beyond it now. Just making wild claims about a person you haven't met and saying he hasn't taken a step into the club? Your just going low. And i'm sure half the people who have met him would disagree with you.
 

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You are obviously the expert on all things that happen within the walls of Arden St so you must be able to tell what the players think of him and how things are run down at Arden St despite probably never stepping inside a door to the place.
Not been at the club? Never stepped inside the club? Those things describe you DR.

On the other hand, I have been at the club. Inside & outside.

BTW, don't you think these attacks are getting old?
 

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Maybe because you hope that the player wakes up to themselves at some point and realises that football can be over pretty quick smart and if you want to make it a career you need to work hard and make alot of sacrifices.

Ask John Ralph, he wrote the article.

Well he did based on his 07 form.

John Ralph deserves to be known as a tip rat like his fellow partner in Hutchi.
 

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I can't claim to know much (if anything) about H's social lifestyle. However IF it is true that he is not 100% committed to being an AFL footballer than I must say (and I don't do this often) I am on Darwin's side on this one. We as a football club need players that are 100% professional in EVERYTHING they do. It is the same reason why many of you on here slated the idea of bringing Cousins, Kerr, Nick Davis etc to the club - because many of you thought they were di**heads. As supporters we can't just select to be flying this "no di**head policy" when it suits us to. Its either all in or nothing and IF H has those tendancies and his footy is suffering, then the club is well within their rights to look elsewhere.

However please let me say that this is all on the basis of H (or ANY OTHER player) having a poor attitude towards his footy. I have NO IDEA as to how he works on and off the track. All I am saying that IF he is OR ANYONE else is not 100% committed to playing AFL footy and being at the club, then I am not really sure that I want them around!

Just my two cents worth.
 

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Lets, as you said, talk about Dean.

Shall we look at his recruiting record, or would you prefer not to go into that? His decisions have set us back, I would estimate, 2 years development at the very least. But ok, I guess you won't allow the fault to be with Dean there...

Ermmm... match ups he is very good at, get's the odd one a little mixed up but meh, he's got a better idea than most of us. Swings changes a little too late, but hey, maybe he's got no other option, fair enough. But player selections, surely, are at times a little unfathomable.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but simply by reading what is reported and quotes from our recruiting staff, this decision has shocked the entire club. If Dean can't change Hamishs ways and struggles to motivate some players i.e Harris and perhaps Swallow?, then maybe he doesn't have the communication skills you need in this day and age to coach our team.
I am quite happy to talk about his recruiting record because for every dud we have had obviously there is another player who has still made it.
I also think that Nev cops too much flack regarding recruiting aswell. Some picks havent turned out too well but others have become regular players.

The Hay trade backfired but the idea was there. We needed a FB.

Explain the 2 years development we have lost?
 

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Well we've had Eddie Sansbury on our list for, how many years? I understand we have recently delisted the poor man, but unfortunately I don't believe he's shown that many signs he'll make it at AFL level for some time now. Should have been gone at least a year ago.

Unfortunately the same goes for Blake Grima. Injury riddled, not worth persisting when we could have used the pick on a kid in the rookie draft knowing how well we do there. Some will disagree, I completely understand, but that is simply my opinion.

Laidley has his favorites as well... Browny, as much as I like the guy, he shouldn't be a backup ruckman / forward / full back / linking wingman in a side pushing for a top 4 spot... Watt has proved several times he's a semi decent footballer this year, but there is a pretty handy bloke who Dean doesn't like to give time to in the name of Scott Thompson. If you drafted a mature aged player Dean, at least use him when he is a better option than a current player... He could play the 3rd tall just as well, and would improve as well.

He doesn't play Ed Lower even though he doesn't seem to put a foot wrong in any of his games... pretty much won that Collingwood game off his own boot with those goals and tagged the living hell out of Gilbee... and yet get's dropped time and time again... why Dean, why?

Trading picks 13 and 29 for McConnell. We could have a midfield bull at the moment called Hurn throwing the ball down to our forwards. I know he's been injured this year, but don't tell me that if we had drafted him that he wouldn't be firmly cemented in our 22 at the moment.

29 could have netted us some handy players as well, but that's too much of a hypothetical so meh, I won't go into it.

Mark Powell, that shit was awesome.

Jon Hay, I don't ridicule this trade mate, I know we needed a full back and threw all we could at a reported disgruntled one who we thought could change. Unfortunately it didn't work out, but if it did, we would have been saved from a lot of pain this year.

Thompson worked in our favour, I don't regret that trade.

Picking up plodders who got games ahead of other players with more potential to burn (the Powers, Greens, Picione etc.) have only taken a spot on our list when we could have used the pick on something a little more useful. Laidley seems to think quick fixes and half back flankers win you premierships. They don't Dean. Player management and development do though :thumbsu::thumbsu:

In regards to the 2 years behind on development (at least Imo)...

We have traded picks / wasted picks throughout Deans career... this has caused our list to be the state that it is in. Sure we'd hit the jackpot with a few rookies, but gee we should be in a lot better state than we are in and possess more depth. When Dean do any massive trades and diminish all our picks we got Hansen, Urquhart, Goldy, Thomas and Edwards... oh, and Campbell. Has he leart his lesson?

But the fact is, when we do trade; Power, Green etc. these kind of players come through that really don't make the world of difference. On the other hand, what other teams get from us... Motlop... I know he left because of differences, but damn, kicked 50 or so goals this year, no?

Anyways... he's set us back Imo and we should possess more depth in areas that we get smashed in atm. But meh, all in the past.

I'd make a list of players we could have got with picks that he's traded for nothing players but... it's so damn late...
 
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This is just a perception people have. The reality is Dean believes he is always right and will push that envelope ad infinitum to prove it.

Then when a player he believes has AA ability does not reach that level he pulls out the psychological mind games like with Harris and Hamish.

The master manipulator at work ends up with average players who seem to get a free pass like Brown and Power or alienates the better players on our list like Harris and Hamish.

Must do wonders to motivate the rest of the playing group looking on.
 

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Good post budge.
interesting perspective budge, and I pretty much agree. Although, there are a lot of sides who have made similar mistakes/failures etc with trades and draft picks so I wouldnt have thought that NMFC and Dean Ladiley are an exception to the rule.
 

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In all seriousness, the first thing I thought of when I heard McIntosh 'might' be traded was this thread.

Actually, make that the second thing. The first thing was 'watch flogfooty go into hyper-meltdown'.
 
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On the other hand, what other teams get from us... Motlop... I know he left because of differences, but damn, kicked 50 or so goals this year, no?
I agree 100% with what you've said budge except for Motlop.

If he had of stayed, he'd still be doing the same flashy shit he did with us, he still does it a bit but has toned it down under Williams, reckon a fresh start has really benefited him.

Plus he benefits from a far superior midfield.
 

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Jon Ralph, widely regarded as the most laughable footy journo in the state, has written a few lines and suddenly Hamish is on drugs, get's pissed and doesn't work hard enough? Jesus ****ing christ.

Why does it there have to be some underhanded, sinister motive behind him being "available" for the right price?
 

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Jon Ralph, widely regarded as the most laughable footy journo in the state, has written a few lines and suddenly Hamish is on drugs, get's pissed and doesn't work hard enough? Jesus ****ing christ.

Why does it there have to be some underhanded, sinister motive behind him being "available" for the right price?

It's comical ain't it?

Who knows that's Journo's for ya. Will do anything to get a story.
 

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Jon Ralph, widely regarded as the most laughable footy journo in the state, has written a few lines and suddenly Hamish is on drugs, get's pissed and doesn't work hard enough? Jesus ****ing christ.

Why does it there have to be some underhanded, sinister motive behind him being "available" for the right price?
Ralphy is also cross eyed. FACT.
 

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What does it bloody prove you twit? The NMFC doesnt pay Hamish to be hanging around with A list wankers. They pay him to play football. The coach has every right to question whether one of his players is not fully committing themselves to the team.

What sort of coach do you honestly want for the club Nick? Someone who will just let the players cruise along and let them do what ever they want.

Get a ****ing clue FFS.
FFS, you will back Laidley even if he trades every bloody good player we have. You are unbelievable sometimes mate, he was injured during the year, let him go out as long as he comes to training does the right things there shouldnt be a problem.. It's not like he gets on the Piss and doesn't turn up to training.

Laidley made a mistake on this issue, he wont admit to it but he stuffed up.
 

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And I am well within my rights to do that. He is right in this instance.

So how about you get of your ****ing high horse and stop whinging about something Laidley said when there would have been a coach in professional sports who would not say the same thing.

If players arent going to be fair dinkum about there football **** them off.
With that logic, every player from our 90's team would have been traded, our guys were out on the piss all the time in the 90's. we came away with the most successful team of the 90's.

Sp in your opinion we should trade every player that has a Social life?
 

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Jon Ralph, widely regarded as the most laughable footy journo in the state, has written a few lines and suddenly Hamish is on drugs, get's pissed and doesn't work hard enough? Jesus ****ing christ.

Why does it there have to be some underhanded, sinister motive behind him being "available" for the right price?
Not defending Jon Ralph's pedigree, however, I reckon it's quite reasonable to assume that for Hamish to be put up as "available" something has to be behind it. Other clubs think that as well, and so would we if all of a sudden any club put a gun young player up for trade.

There is either a reason there (ie the knee, the work ethic or similar) or Laidley has lot the plot. That's my take on it. Ralph might have some info, or he might be pulling it out of his ass, but the fact remains - there HAS to be a reason for this.

I won't repeat the reasons why we need Hamish in the side as it's been done to death over the last two days. But anyone who thinks we have an abundance of ruck stocks and can afford to lose Hamish without much impact doesn't know our list.
 

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The only reason I can think of is to give H a good kick up the backside and make the players realise that the way the season ended was unacceptable and that pre season will be a big 1

talking 2 jesse smith on saturday, he is so determined to get a full season under his belt and get back in 2 the 1s. he feels he now has the ability to do a full pre season unrestricted and is raring 2 go.

We know H has had fitness issues over the years, so I hope JYD and H saught out this situation and H puts in a monster pre season and follows on from his 07 form.
 

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With that logic, every player from our 90's team would have been traded, our guys were out on the piss all the time in the 90's. we came away with the most successful team of the 90's.

Sp in your opinion we should trade every player that has a Social life?
But its 2008. You think that the levels of fitness and behaviour of players in the 90's should be tolerated now?

It's pretty simple, Laidley has given the ENTIRE list a message. You want to be an AFL player, an elite athlete on good money, then you have to be elite in everythig you do.
 
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