Past #1: Hamish McIntosh - drafted at pick 9 in '02 ND - traded to Geelong for #36 in '12 trade period

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But its 2008. You think that the levels of fitness and behaviour of players in the 90's should be tolerated now?

It's pretty simple, Laidley has given the ENTIRE list a message. You want to be an AFL player, an elite athlete on good money, then you have to be elite in everythig you do.
Make that kind of message part of their pre-season workshopping, don't do it through the media - whether this was a silly off the cuff remark or a premeditated strategy, it's not the right way to talk to people you work with and should be building a relationship of trust with.
 

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interesting perspective budge, and I pretty much agree. Although, there are a lot of sides who have made similar mistakes/failures etc with trades and draft picks so I wouldnt have thought that NMFC and Dean Ladiley are an exception to the rule.
That's a fair call mate. The only reason I am more frustrated at our selections is because we traded two gem picks for an untested player from WCE based on potential. Jade Rawlings as well, I know it wasn't a big trade, but obviously he wasn't going to have much of an impact at our club and was, yet again, a quick fix. I just think he should have learnt this after being bitten a few times, but it kept on happening.

I agree 100% with what you've said budge except for Motlop.

If he had of stayed, he'd still be doing the same flashy shit he did with us, he still does it a bit but has toned it down under Williams, reckon a fresh start has really benefited him.

Plus he benefits from a far superior midfield.
I was only cut about how little we got for him. A 2nd a 4th (I think) rounder for a player who know is kicking 50-60 a season... I know he was disgruntled, but we could have done quite a bit better in that trade (I'm not overly fussed that he left, but he left for quite a small fee after what we paid for him)
 

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What does it bloody prove you twit? The NMFC doesnt pay Hamish to be hanging around with A list wankers. They pay him to play football. The coach has every right to question whether one of his players is not fully committing themselves to the team.

What sort of coach do you honestly want for the club Nick? Someone who will just let the players cruise along and let them do what ever they want.

Get a ****ing clue FFS.
I believe we have the right to question whether jyd has the best interests of the club at heart and whether he is fully committing himself to the team aswell DR :rolleyes: I mean ffs hamish could have had 20+ hit outs, provided an option up forward, plugged a hole down back, laidley could come out in the media give him a spray and you would still say that laidley did the right thing, laidley could forfeit us from a gf we were odds on favourite to win and you would say he did the right thing, hmm is it just me or is there a pattern forming here :confused:
Anyhow back on topic the way laidley is handling all this player management is appauling and not just because I'm not really a fan of his I would have this opinion on any coach who's idea of good player management is blasting them via the media particularly putting them on the trade table when they have shown their commitment to the club by signing a 3 year contract but I would assume in your logic that is good player management.
By your logic blaming the insipid performance against adelaide earlier in the season on daniel pratt when there were clearly 21 others out there in royal blue and white jumpers who were equally as bad is good player management :rolleyes:
A good coach earns respect from their playing group, a good leader/manager earns respect from their charges so would you care to explain how exactly laidley is going about getting this from our list?
By stabbing in the back the players that bust their arse for him and the club every week? That's real good leadership he provides isn't it. Tell me DR do you want this club to stand as a united front and start moving forwards as a team or would you rather players walking out left, right and centre because we have a coach that let's his rock of gibraltar sized ego make all the decisions? Personally I would rather have a team that plays for each other, the club, the coach and the love of the jumper and that's exactly what this great club is about :thumbsu: Even in your logic you can't possibly tell me that all this undermining and backstabbing could possibly get us anywhere? surely not?
I'm not saying that players shouldn't shouldn't cop their slap on the wrist but there's a time and place and the way we have handled the thommo and sinclair situations was appauling not to mention what's happening with harro, it's just as bad as the way the bulldogs handled the whole scott west retiring and the way we're going we're going to end up with a coach that no one on the playing list wants to play for, a positive result for the club that would be wouldn't it :rolleyes:
Thank christ we no longer have an administration that will cave in to jyd's every demand :thumbsu:
 

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I Thank christ we no longer have an administration that will cave in to jyd's every demand :thumbsu:
Perhaps the call from Laidley was planned with the rest of the administration. I recall Eugene making some pretty load noises about making the club successful and what types of player we need at the club.
 

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Make that kind of message part of their pre-season workshopping, don't do it through the media - whether this was a silly off the cuff remark or a premeditated strategy, it's not the right way to talk to people you work with and should be building a relationship of trust with.
While i agree that messages of professionalism and performance expectations should be adressed in the preseason, i'd imagine what has happened in the last few days would prbably sharpen the focus of the message come November when the boys come back of their break.
 

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What if Hamish puts in all the hard work and parties.

How is Laidley right?
It's an interesting point that you raise and it is not dissimilar to the Scotty McMahon situation earlier in the year, albeit that Scott's issues were not partying, they were weight related. Scott equalled his time trials from the previous season so he felt he was just as fit despite carrying a few extra kilos. The point the coach was making is that how do you know that you can't get fitter and faster and stronger if you are not doing absolutely everything in your power to be the best that you can be?
 

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I'm not saying that players shouldn't shouldn't cop their slap on the wrist but there's a time and place and the way we have handled the thommo and sinclair situations was appauling not to mention what's happening with harro, it's just as bad as the way the bulldogs handled the whole scott west retiring and the way we're going we're going to end up with a coach that no one on the playing list wants to play for, a positive result for the club that would be wouldn't it :rolleyes:
Thank christ we no longer have an administration that will cave in to jyd's every demand :thumbsu:
Agreed Thommo appears to have been a big ****-up but really if you are pointing out Scott West and Jes Sinclair as poorly handled enforced retirements, it occurs to me that you would never be able to stand up to a player who doesn't want to give it up. Sometimes they have to be told. Sometimes they take the advice graciously, as Shagga did. Other times, they are very disappointed and don't agree with the club's decision. May well have been done the same way, but different reactions from different players. I actually thought they handled Jess with compassion and respect, they could have made him wait like everyone else.
 

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Jon Ralph, widely regarded as the most laughable footy journo in the state, has written a few lines and suddenly Hamish is on drugs, get's pissed and doesn't work hard enough? Jesus ****ing christ.

Why does it there have to be some underhanded, sinister motive behind him being "available" for the right price?
Hang on a second NB. Nobody has suggested that Hamish is on drugs but the article did say that speculation is that Laidley wasnt happy with Hamish's socialising. Now the fact that there is only speculation means we can pretty much take the article with a grain of salt.
 

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Have just heard on SEN and Ch. 9 News that the club has apparently announced through a statement that H is officially OFF the trade table. There goes another one of Mike's predictions :thumbsu:

*Breathes sigh of relief*

May the insanity cease.

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With that logic, every player from our 90's team would have been traded, our guys were out on the piss all the time in the 90's. we came away with the most successful team of the 90's.

Sp in your opinion we should trade every player that has a Social life?
No they wouldnt because the difference between todays players and of those of the 90's is that the players in the 90's worked hard enough and were allowed to enjoy the spoils but a bit too much and no way would they be allowed to get away with iit with todays media.

Also our players were allowed way too much latitude in the 90's and it led to some pretty bad behaviour by the players. Compare it to the todays players where we are either alot more disciplined in that regard or we are lucky and just dont get caught.

Like i said earlier I have no problem with players drinking a few coldies in moderation but I believe that you have to earn the right to be given some freedom by proving that you are prepared to do everything you possibly can to get the best out of yourself.

I would rather Dean got on top of players early than to let them basically go as hard as they want like Denis did and it ends up in a situation like what happened with Wayne.
 
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Have just heard on SEN and Ch. 9 News that the club has apparently announced through a statement that H is officially OFF the trade table.
Did they blink?
Seems odd that a player is put up for a trade and then pulled halfway through the trade week, wouldn't the idea be to leave the player up all week and wait?
Piss weak by the football dept.
 

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Hang on a second NB. Nobody has suggested that Hamish is on drugs but the article did say that speculation is that Laidley wasnt happy with Hamish's socialising. Now the fact that there is only speculation means we can pretty much take the article with a grain of salt.
You might think its ok for footballers to get out on the piss and smoke joints and pop pills but are you really fair dinkum about your footballing career if you are doing that sort of shit?

You were the only one to mention drugs, and are not saying that no-one suggested it?
 

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You were the only one to mention drugs, and are not saying that no-one suggested it?
Show me where I said that Hamish took drugs?

I was speaking about footballers as a whole. You are drawing a long bow though to find a link between me saying that players that take drugs arent giving themselves the best opportunity and Hamish is taking drugs.
 

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Hang on a second NB. Nobody has suggested that Hamish is on drugs but the article did say that speculation is that Laidley wasnt happy with Hamish's socialising. Now the fact that there is only speculation means we can pretty much take the article with a grain of salt.
The smallest grain of salt that has ever existed. So small that pushes to the grey area just before something can no longer be anything at all. Ralph opened up the social pages from a previous copy of his shitty newspaper, put two and two together, reached for the calculator and got 17.
 

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Show me where I said that Hamish took drugs?



I was speaking about footballers as a whole. You are drawing a long bow though to find a link between me saying that players that take drugs arent giving themselves the best opportunity and Hamish is taking drugs.


Considering it was relating to why McIntosh was being offered as a trade by North and we were discussing the extent of what Laidley meant by Hamish not concentrating on his footy, but preferred socializing, I assumed you were talking about the player in question.

If you weren't implying that Hamish was in fact taking drugs, then why did you mention it? :confused:
 

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Considering it was relating to why McIntosh was being offered as a trade by North and we were discussing the extent of what Laidley meant by Hamish not concentrating on his footy, but preferred socializing, I assumed you were talking about the player in question.

If you weren't implying that Hamish was in fact taking drugs, then why did you mention it? :confused:
No i wasnt. What i was saying was that footballers have a great opportunity to play the greatest game in the world at the highest level and they need to give their all if they want to make it. They need to make sacrifices and if that means staying at home instead of hanging out with mates well then that is the price you have to pay.

Its pretty obvious why I mentioned it. Players do take drugs and it mixes in with socialising and partying. It doesnt mean that Hamish does it but plenty of players do and it begs the question, how fair dinkum are they?
 

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Show me where I said that Hamish took drugs?

I was speaking about footballers as a whole. You are drawing a long bow though to find a link between me saying that players that take drugs arent giving themselves the best opportunity and Hamish is taking drugs.
Stop backpedalling, you were implying it. "Socialising" does not have to mean taking drugs.

Hamish was the only player mentioned before your post.
 

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It's an interesting point that you raise and it is not dissimilar to the Scotty McMahon situation earlier in the year, albeit that Scott's issues were not partying, they were weight related. Scott equalled his time trials from the previous season so he felt he was just as fit despite carrying a few extra kilos. The point the coach was making is that how do you know that you can't get fitter and faster and stronger if you are not doing absolutely everything in your power to be the best that you can be?
Has to have a chat to 40 of our players than.
 
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