Past #1: Hamish McIntosh - drafted at pick 9 in '02 ND - traded to Geelong for #36 in '12 trade period

who's the best ruckman

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Re: Hamish can now focus on BIGGER things yet

Only upside is that Hamish can re-direct his focus on getting his touch and form back... career woman are hard to please... living and working apart was never the perfect combination so hopefully this interlude can make H the player he wants to be in another field (that earns him the BIG BUCKS!!)
 

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was thinkin' similar, but maybe we could 'rest' our ruckman at FF ? With Petrie a best 18 type, Goldy & H rucking we've still got to find room for the likes of Cunnington, Garlett, Greenwood, Lower etc. Surely with Goldy ,H & Drew we'd get more value from one of those that I've listed than Haley?As in we don't really need another 200 cm type, but an extra mid/fwd rotation could be handy?
 

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He didn't play forward, he ran forward and showed up Westoff's lack of defensive game. If he had of been playing forward he would have been checked more closely by a real defender. But he should be rested up there more often, and Goldstein given more rein in the ruck. We only need one other KP forward in my opinion - Hale/Smith/Tarrant or Drew when he's available.
 

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I don't think making him a permanent forward is a good idea but I'd like to see him spend much more time in the forward line. Goldy should get more time in the ruck from now on.

He's well and truly capable of kicking 30 goals a year IMO. Lovely shot on goal most of the time too.
 

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Have asked about this in the past, H was another reason for the late resurgence (sp) how good is it to see a forward taking a grab over a defender?
Played up forward as a kid and did well iirc, leave him there Brad, put Haley and Goldy in the ruck
Whether he was playing down there or just drifting through, it was great to see a tall forward who looked like he knew what he was doing.
 

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I don't think making him a permanent forward is a good idea but I'd like to see him spend much more time in the forward line. Goldy should get more time in the ruck from now on.

He's well and truly capable of kicking 30 goals a year IMO. Lovely shot on goal most of the time too.
This is my opinion down to a Tee
 

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As mentioned, even just as a pinchhitter who either rests down there or who can expose his opponent.

Looked far more threatening than Hale. He extends them arms out. Hale got spolit by a first gamer in Andrew Moore at one stage in the third trying to take a chest mark.
 
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As mentioned, even just as a pinchhitter who either rests down there or who can expose his opponent.

Looked far more threatening than Hale. He extends them arms out. Hale got spolit by a first gamer in Andrew Moore at one stage in the third trying to take a chest mark.
Oh yeah thats right, he plays forward better than Hale, lets play him in the ruck.:rolleyes:
 

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I think his ruck work is very ordinary and his around the ground work, which was a feature in his breakout 2007 is non existent.

He has not been the same since he did his PCL in Perth in 2008 and the fact he was bettered by Seaby and Mumford is a huge worry.

Our midfield looks so much more organised with Goldstein in there. The fact Goldstein is on the bench so much, while we are getting arse raped at the centre bounces and stoppages is staggering.

McIntosh is still only 25 and would have genuine currency on the market.

I reckon Laids saw something a lot of us didnt in 2008 and was probably on the right track trading the big fella.

Am I being too harsh? I dont see many games live being in Perth but this is an observation im becoming increasingly concerned and annoyed at.
 

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No - Hale is the Trade Option.

Hawks, Richmond and Gold Coast would be interested in adding to their depleted ruck stocks. Hale is a QLDer so if we get him to kick a bag of goals this year then hopefully his value goes up. McIntosh and Goldstein are too good to lose
 

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Interesting OP and certainly worthy of discussion. Like any trade it depends on what we would get, and where it would leave the club.

If Hamish continues to be average for the rest of the year then this option is worthy of exploration at least. Goldy is a much better tap ruckman and seems to be as fit as H. Add to that his skills are quite strong and he could potentially take over the number 1 ruck position pretty soon.

Monsters' ruck work is shizen, really, really bad, but his real value has been his ability around the ground. He has very good skills and decent mobility for a guy his size and is a great set shot for goal. Problem with this though is that he doesn't really have much of an engine and seems to be struggling to exert any influence on games now that most teams employ tight zonal defensive structures as he cannot get loose in open space to be a link man. I like Hamish, but he really needs to step up and become an A grader. He needs to work hard on his tap work and stop hitting it just anywhere and try to become more influential around the ground. If the club did decide to look into a trade the Hawks would be keen as mustard I reckon but a deal should only be done if it is too good to refuse. Their first rounder at least plus a player. No arguments, they still feel they are a few pieces away from another flag and if they want a good ruckman they need to pay. Gold Coast would take him for sure but that would mean we would have to rely on the AFL's unfathomable logic to determine what we would get.

Another issue with a possible trade is that most teams feel that two rucks is the way to go, with the exception of Freo. If we were to trade H out, we would need to either move Hale or Petrie back into the ruck or promote Majak to the senior list and play him most games. I'm not sold on Hale as a ruck and would hate to waste Drew there as no real forward options are yet to present themselves as legitimate options. Majak has done little to suggest that he will be AFL ready next year, other than jump over his opponents in the ruck, take a hanger and drill one from 50 on the run, in both the right goals and the wrong goals.
 

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Ruckwork is largely over-rated. It is nice if you get a lot of hitouts to advantage but if you become that good then the opposition just rove to your ruckman instead. As long as you have someone that can compete then it doesn't make much difference.

He has always been good for his work around the middle, used to generate midfielder-like disposals. I think giving Goldy more game time has eaten into the time he has to loiter around the middle of the ground and is now given periods as a forward, at times he gets to snag a goal or two but he has less time in the middle.

I thought our ruckmen went okay against cox and nn, they will have their ups and downs like anyone, I haven't seen anything worthy of getting rid of them. I am struggling to see Hale part of the long-term plan as a forward, especially if Daw, Black and Kennedy keep improving along with Tarrant, Petrie and Smith. We can't keep everyone, some have to make room.

I think if Hale would like to go home our best bet would be to both agree to end his contract at the end of this year and let GC take him as an uncontracted player, we are bound to get a better reimbursement than we would via a trade and they would get a ready made ruckman.

I think only ruckmen can afford to be very immobile and as a forward he isn't very mobile. At some point we have to decide who is going to be around long-term and favour them for development over those that they don't think will be there long-term and Hale has made no secret about that he would like to go home and play there at some point.
 

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Ruckwork is largely over-rated..... As long as you have someone that can compete then it doesn't make much difference.
That's the whole point. At the moment he can't compete.

I'm not sure what the issue is but at present he strikes me as the ruckman in the league with the smallest vertical leap. At times it is almost like he is rucking with both feet on the ground. The photo of him up against NicNat in the paper last week was a dramatic illustration of this.

Could his knee be giving him trouble still?
 

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That's the whole point. At the moment he can't compete.

I'm not sure what the issue is but at present he strikes me as the ruckman in the league with the smallest vertical leap. At times it is almost like he is rucking with both feet on the ground. The photo of him up against NicNat in the paper last week was a dramatic illustration of this.

Could his knee be giving him trouble still?
Yeah, but didn't that massive vertical leap earn NicNat the least amount of hitouts of any ruckman on the day?
 

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This thread is like an idiot convention, seriously. A lot of clubs would kill to get McIntosh.
 
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