Player Watch #1 - Jesse Hogan - traded to Freo - #fistedforever

[Klyntonius]

Players ham it up to make a situation more obvious, whether it's being held onto or high contact. If they just get on with it then umpires will often overlook legit free kicks. The issue is more for staging when nothing has happened.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Wouldn’t say he’s arrived until he’s kicking more bags. And that dive today was cringey honestly. Still lacks killer instinct as a forward i reckon

* off with the dive talk

 

[stretcharmstrong]

He did finish top 3 in contested marks in 2015. However it does seem like his contested marking is not as good as it used to be, I remember him clunking packs marks back then but seems to rarely happen these days.

Yeah my memory is the same (and your stat backs it up). Problem is since 2015 he’s almost never been left one out by an oppo defence.

 

[schmuttt]

He played it up but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Olivers last year, there was clear contact. Geez Carlisle is an idiot.

 

[Topkent]

Nah that's bullshit he should have been fined. Can't have blokes playing up for free kicks like that. Anyone think Gablett Snr or Plugged would have gone down over that?

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Nah that's bullshit he should have been fined. Can't have blokes playing up for free kicks like that. Anyone think Gablett Snr or Plugged would have gone down over that?

Who GAF?

 

[jhong]

Nah that's bullshit he should have been fined. Can't have blokes playing up for free kicks like that. Anyone think Gablett Snr or Plugged would have gone down over that?

Plugger would of killed him ffs

 

[Topkent]

Who GAF?

Because I don't like the diving culture in our sport. It's a mindset.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Because I don't like the diving culture in our sport. It's a mindset.

I also just think it’s ridiculous. I’d be embarrassed to show any kind of pain etc if an opponent did anything short of punch me

 

[Topkent]

I also just think it’s ridiculous. I’d be embarrassed to show any kind of pain etc if an opponent did anything short of punch me

It used to be a part of Australian culture that you would never show it. I remember Ricky ponting copping a sweep shot to the jaw, spitting out blood and walking to the tea break. Everyday I see that culture being wiped away.

Hogan is a big full forward, I think it sends a stronger message if he stands up to that tap, laughs it off and puts his knee into Carlisle next chance.

 

[DeesFanTheMan]

It used to be a part of Australian culture that you would never show it. I remember Ricky ponting copping a sweep shot to the jaw, spitting out blood and walking to the tea break. Everyday I see that culture being wiped away.

Hogan is a big full forward, I think it sends a stronger message if he stands up to that tap, laughs it off and puts his knee into Carlisle next chance.

Dunno how I feel about this, I get what you are saying, it reminds me of the West Coast game last year where Hurn hit one of our blokes and then a little while later Viney whilst contesting the ball flew into him and you could tell it was a square up.

On the other hand, if Jesse can milk a free kick from a someone trying to intimidate him, and actually slot it, it is so punishing because of scoreboard pressure but also the "Carlisle" in this situation mentally suffers because they become frustrated and either don't play properly or go the other way and start giving away more frees.

I think in today's AFL, knowing when to cop it on the chin and when to milk it would always be case by case and if I were a coach I would instruct players and especially forwards to know when to milk it, big Ben brown is a good example of a forward who milks it constantly.

 

[Demonkings]

Dunno how I feel about this, I get what you are saying, it reminds me of the West Coast game last year where Hurn hit one of our blokes and then a little while later Viney whilst contesting the ball flew into him and you could tell it was a square up.

On the other hand, if Jesse can milk a free kick from a someone trying to intimidate him, and actually slot it, it is so punishing because of scoreboard pressure but also the "Carlisle" in this situation mentally suffers because they become frustrated and either don't play properly or go the other way and start giving away more frees.

I think in today's AFL, knowing when to cop it on the chin and when to milk it would always be case by case and if I were a coach I would instruct players and especially forwards to know when to milk it, big Ben brown is a good example of a forward who milks it constantly.

That bloke Hurn hit was Viney.

Both Hurn and Viney certainly showed a lot more hardness than Carlisle on the week end. There is being tough and there’s being stupid. Carlisle was damn stupid. Hogan was smart to ensure that the umpires noticed what was a free kick. Well done Hoges. No fine. Right call. Dumb Jake.

 

[Topkent]

Dunno how I feel about this, I get what you are saying, it reminds me of the West Coast game last year where Hurn hit one of our blokes and then a little while later Viney whilst contesting the ball flew into him and you could tell it was a square up.

On the other hand, if Jesse can milk a free kick from a someone trying to intimidate him, and actually slot it, it is so punishing because of scoreboard pressure but also the "Carlisle" in this situation mentally suffers because they become frustrated and either don't play properly or go the other way and start giving away more frees.

I think in today's AFL, knowing when to cop it on the chin and when to milk it would always be case by case and if I were a coach I would instruct players and especially forwards to know when to milk it, big Ben brown is a good example of a forward who milks it constantly.

Nah because everyone would lose their mind if we lost a game with 30 seconds to go because of a free kick for that level of contact. If Mcartin went down from a little push from Vince and one the game everyone would lose it so you can't have it both ways. personally I preferred when the blokes just got on with it instead of this bullshit culture that's come in. The lifting of the arms, throwing back of the head, going to ground over nothing etc has all but eroded the last of the masculinity of the sport. I would be telling all of my players if I was coach to worry about playing the game and forget about the umpires. Don't involve them in your decision making.

They've already taken almost all the entertainment out of the sport, the bi play between the FFs and FBs were some of the best entertainment.

 

[00Stinger]

Because I don't like the diving culture in our sport. It's a mindset.

did you see the front on vision?

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[Topkent]

did you see the front on vision?

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If that happened to Jesse Hogan in a bar he wouldn't hit the deck.

 

[DeesFanTheMan]

Nah because everyone would lose their mind if we lost a game with 30 seconds to go because of a free kick for that level of contact. If Mcartin went down from a little push from Vince and one the game everyone would lose it so you can't have it both ways. personally I preferred when the blokes just got on with it instead of this bullshit culture that's come in. The lifting of the arms, throwing back of the head, going to ground over nothing etc has all but eroded the last of the masculinity of the sport. I would be telling all of my players if I was coach to worry about playing the game and forget about the umpires. Don't involve them in your decision making.

They've already taken almost all the entertainment out of the sport, the bi play between the FFs and FBs were some of the best entertainment.

I don't disagree with you fundamentally, but you are giving up a competitive advantage if you do not play like that, because everyone else would exploit you, look at Jelwood, Thomas etc, they all train to milk frees by ducking, sliding etc, same thing as staging a bit when you are a full forward.

Personally I find the AFL entertaining still and I think there are some genuine great hard at it moments.

I personally don't like staging in our game or playing for free kicks but as long as the opposition are able to do it then I would encourage our team to do it and do it well.

 

[DeesFanTheMan]

That bloke Hurn hit was Viney.

Both Hurn and Viney certainly showed a lot more hardness than Carlisle on the week end. There is being tough and there’s being stupid. Carlisle was damn stupid. Hogan was smart to ensure that the umpires noticed what was a free kick. Well done Hoges. No fine. Right call. Dumb Jake.

Thanks for the memory jog. God I love Vines.

 

[Tulip]

Its not as bad as it looked from behind, but its still a dive.

 

[Topkent]

I don't disagree with you fundmentally, but you are giving up a competitive advantage if you do not play like that, because everyone else would exploit you, look at Jelwood, Thomas etc, they all train to milk frees by ducking, sliding etc, same thing as staging a bit when you are a full forward.

Personally I find the AFL entertaining still and I think there are some genuine great hard at it moments.

I personally don't like staging in our game or playing for free kicks but as long as the opposition are able to do it then I would encourage our team to do it and do it well.

No I understand your side of it and that's part of a win at all costs mentality but that's why I'd take it out of the players hands, don't give a free kick for that and Hogan doesn't exploit it, fine him and he is embarrassed and certainly doesn't do it again.

 

[Bluelegs]

Fwiw I don't hear anyone moaning about the stkilda bloke that flopped to the ground as soon as Jetta got in front of him as he was running into an open goal.

 

[Simon_Says]

No fine. Right call. Dumb Jake.

Seems that Jakey Carlisle and the word "Stupid" get associated quite a lot.

Didnt he do something really stupid back before he arrived at Morabin?

 

[Cannon82]

Don't like the whole "Don't dive" thing.

Completely agree. I would be sacking any player who refuses to cheat for the club. Do they think they're going to win close games through skill and composure? I laugh.

 

[Demonkings]

Seems that Jakey Carlisle and the word "Stupid" get associated quite a lot.

Didnt he do something really stupid back before he arrived at Morabin?

Chose to play for St Kilda

 

[Simon_Says]

Chose to play for St Kilda

I was more talking about the Snapchat video

 

[Demonkings]

I was more talking about the Snapchat video

That wasn’t a bright move. Did he get a suspension for that? He must have been suffering from Essendementia.