Player Watch #10: Aaron Francis - Omitted - 11/4

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A multitude of issues have dragged him down by the sounds of it.
Got to get on with living. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Big things, both good and bad will happen. Have to regognise, remember and release. A good life is all about enjoying all the little things. A day with a friend, a hit of golf of a summer evening. Fishing. Walking the dog..
Also have to eliminate the bad triggers eg alcohol or negative friends.

Easy for me to say as i have only ever been down at times, before getting myself up quickly. Francis might have a chemical imbalance.
 
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Good to see it’s helping but not holding my breath on returning to footy
Yeah I personally don't think he'll be at Essendon (or footy all together) past this year.

these two statements are not incompatible
I didn't say it was. Just that football is probably one of the last things Francis would be thinking of at the moment.
 

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ok too start i must stress i am not having a go at francis or trying to troll this thread. I have dealt with mentall illness and understand that the most important thing is for aaron to get better.

My question however (and it applies even more to de goey as well) is during this personal leave is he still getting paid his full contract and how does the part time work come into it? As it seems a little odd for someone on personal leave to then go and get another wage elsewhere whilst the club pays for his time off?

if this happened in a workplace like my own (disability industry) it would be a terrible look and hard for the staff working their arses off to understand. Whilst he is being paid good money surely he should be volunteering his time part time and not working part time as both are just as helpfull for his personal health but eliminates the possibility to take advantage.

Thoughts and can anyone shed some light on how the contract payments work?
 

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ok too start i must stress i am not having a go at francis or trying to troll this thread. I have dealt with mentall illness and understand that the most important thing is for aaron to get better.

My question however (and it applies even more to de goey as well) is during this personal leave is he still getting paid his full contract and how does the part time work come into it? As it seems a little odd for someone on personal leave to then go and get another wage elsewhere whilst the club pays for his time off?

if this happened in a workplace like my own (disability industry) it would be a terrible look and hard for the staff working their arses off to understand. Whilst he is being paid good money surely he should be volunteering his time part time and not working part time as both are just as helpfull for his personal health but eliminates the possibility to take advantage.

Thoughts and can anyone shed some light on how the contract payments work?
They deduct the $17.50 per hour he is earning from Bunnings from the $250 per hour he is earning from the club. It all balances out.
 

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They deduct the $17.50 per hour he is earning from Bunnings from the $250 per hour he is earning from the club. It all balances out.
haha assume taking the piss and obviously its not the money i am refering to but more the fact that someone benefits financially from not working. As i said i am all for taking time off but i also believe one should not benefit financially whilst taking paid time off.

And degoey was banished from collingwood to work the 9-5 and i am genuinly curious as to wether he got paid for that aswell?

As i said i dont see why aaron or jordan couldnt volunteer which would benefit society more, benefit themselves just as much and keep the integrity of paid personal leave
 

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haha assume taking the piss and obviously its not the money i am refering to but more the fact that someone benefits financially from not working. As i said i am all for taking time off but i also believe one should not benefit financially whilst taking paid time off.

And degoey was banished from collingwood to work the 9-5 and i am genuinly curious as to wether he got paid for that aswell?

As i said i dont see why aaron or jordan couldnt volunteer which would benefit society more, benefit themselves just as much and keep the integrity of paid personal leave
They are both under contract, so In both cases they will be with the full blessing of their respective clubs and under the terms of the contracts.

If someone chose to go and work and not turn up to games without that blessing it would be in breach of contract and the club would sue or withhold funds.

In Jordan’s case I would say the club wanted him to get a ‘real job’ so he see what he is close to having to do next year.

In Aaron’s it would be do whatever makes you happy.

Volunteering is nice, a lot of players do it. But sometimes it is more apt to just try to live a life unlike an afl player
 

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In Aaron’s it would be do whatever makes you happy.

Volunteering is nice, a lot of players do it. But sometimes it is more apt to just try to live a life unlike an afl player
I think basically this. Being a normal person with normal friends and normal colleagues, doing normal things for a normal wage. Not a high stress position, not 'a footballer doing volunteer work'. But just being treated like everyone else in that workplace, with normal standards and expectations on him.
 

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They are both under contract, so In both cases they will be with the full blessing of their respective clubs and under the terms of the contracts.

If someone chose to go and work and not turn up to games without that blessing it would be in breach of contract and the club would sue or withhold funds.

In Jordan’s case I would say the club wanted him to get a ‘real job’ so he see what he is close to having to do next year.

In Aaron’s it would be do whatever makes you happy.

Volunteering is nice, a lot of players do it. But sometimes it is more apt to just try to live a life unlike an afl player
yes i get that and valid points but put it into perspective.

how would you feel if you worked at a job and someone took personal leave. You picked up the slack as you understood they needed help and took on more work to cover them not being there. Then you see that they are working somewhere else and earning money whilst you slave away to cover them whilst they get paid not to attend your work.

its the principle of the fact that if you provide rewards for taking personal leave or punishment leave then what example does it set for the hard workers who are slogging their arses off on a day to day basis?

personal leave is an important aspect of proteccting the mental health of all individuals but i just think it opens a big can of worms if people see it as a way to get two wages for the price of one! (obviously in the afl the impact is minimal and the large wages mean people wont take advantage but for instance in the disability industry i have often seen people take personal leave for lets just say questionable reasons and this will only influence more people to follow suite)
 

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I think basically this. Being a normal person with normal friends and normal colleagues, doing normal things for a normal wage. Not a high stress position, not 'a footballer doing volunteer work'. But just being treated like everyone else in that workplace, with normal standards and expectations on him.
and agree on everything you said but in reality he is a normal person, doing normal things whilst also gettiing paid the full wages of a full time footballer. I just think its one or the other. as mentioned above have the payments subtracted from your contract or have a reduced contrat whilst you then work outside but from my understanding (and i stand to be corrected) he is on full wage whilst he takes personal leave.
 

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yes i get that and valid points but put it into perspective.

how would you feel if you worked at a job and someone took personal leave. You picked up the slack as you understood they needed help and took on more work to cover them not being there. Then you see that they are working somewhere else and earning money whilst you slave away to cover them whilst they get paid not to attend your work.

its the principle of the fact that if you provide rewards for taking personal leave or punishment leave then what example does it set for the hard workers who are slogging their arses off on a day to day basis?

personal leave is an important aspect of proteccting the mental health of all individuals but i just think it opens a big can of worms if people see it as a way to get two wages for the price of one! (obviously in the afl the impact is minimal and the large wages mean people wont take advantage but for instance in the disability industry i have often seen people take personal leave for lets just say questionable reasons and this will only influence more people to follow suite)
This is nothing like that in anyway whatsoever.
 

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yes i get that and valid points but put it into perspective.

how would you feel if you worked at a job and someone took personal leave. You picked up the slack as you understood they needed help and took on more work to cover them not being there. Then you see that they are working somewhere else and earning money whilst you slave away to cover them whilst they get paid not to attend your work.

its the principle of the fact that if you provide rewards for taking personal leave or punishment leave then what example does it set for the hard workers who are slogging their arses off on a day to day basis?

personal leave is an important aspect of proteccting the mental health of all individuals but i just think it opens a big can of worms if people see it as a way to get two wages for the price of one! (obviously in the afl the impact is minimal and the large wages mean people wont take advantage but for instance in the disability industry i have often seen people take personal leave for lets just say questionable reasons and this will only influence more people to follow suite)
Whilst I agree with you how much do you think he is getting for working part time coaching kids basketball?

He would be lucky to get 10 hours a week doing that.
 

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This is nothing like that in anyway whatsoever.
how so? its the image it creates. do you think a young rookie who is working their arse off for $60,000 wouldnt be the slightest bit put off to see it? actually in an afl settng your right, probably not, but i am just talking the image that it sends elsewhere to the community and other industries.

but i am in an industry where workers comp and personal leave are used to the advantage of workers way way way to frequently and i guess i may be being synical.

sorry for hijacking the forum i honestly just wanted some opinons so thank for the responses.

and to person above once again i stand corrected but i dont think he was woking part time as a basketball coach i think he is coaching a basketball team and allso working part time (well thats how i read it)
 

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yes i get that and valid points but put it into perspective.

how would you feel if you worked at a job and someone took personal leave. You picked up the slack as you understood they needed help and took on more work to cover them not being there. Then you see that they are working somewhere else and earning money whilst you slave away to cover them whilst they get paid not to attend your work.

its the principle of the fact that if you provide rewards for taking personal leave or punishment leave then what example does it set for the hard workers who are slogging their arses off on a day to day basis?

personal leave is an important aspect of proteccting the mental health of all individuals but i just think it opens a big can of worms if people see it as a way to get two wages for the price of one! (obviously in the afl the impact is minimal and the large wages mean people wont take advantage but for instance in the disability industry i have often seen people take personal leave for lets just say questionable reasons and this will only influence more people to follow suite)
The way I see it he's on sick leave. If being able to find some sense of normality and purpose, by working in some 'normal' job is a key to him finding some equilibrium in his mental health, so be it.

It's pretty poor taste to suggest that the reason Aaron's doing this is because he wants to make two wages. That in itself is almost worth a GTFO.
 

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and agree on everything you said but in reality he is a normal person, doing normal things whilst also gettiing paid the full wages of a full time footballer. I just think its one or the other. as mentioned above have the payments subtracted from your contract or have a reduced contrat whilst you then work outside but from my understanding (and i stand to be corrected) he is on full wage whilst he takes personal leave.
So what? He has a roof over his head and food on the table. He's a third year player that's barely played any games, most of his money would be getting put away if he's got any sort of decent guidance.

He is a paid footballer taking time off to deal with a health issue. Working a normal job is part of the treatment for said health issue. I don't get why you'd need to dock his pay for any of that... he's not being punished, he's just trying to get better.
 

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how so? its the image it creates. do you think a young rookie who is working their arse off for $60,000 wouldnt be the slightest bit put off to see it? actually in an afl settng your right, probably not, but i am just talking the image that it sends elsewhere to the community and other industries.

but i am in an industry where workers comp and personal leave are used to the advantage of workers way way way to frequently and i guess i may be being synical.

sorry for hijacking the forum i honestly just wanted some opinons so thank for the responses.

and to person above once again i stand corrected but i dont think he was woking part time as a basketball coach i think he is coaching a basketball team and allso working part time (well thats how i read it)
What his colleagues think is irrelevant. If they're ignorant enough not to see that they would be entitled to the same things should they find themselves in his situation, then they're subject to their own ignorance and deserve whatever ill feeling they find within themselves as a result.
 

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ok all good i am looking at a larger picture than just the afl and in no way am i suggesting aaron is taking advantage, i am refering to the image it sends to other industries and in particular the opportunity it presents some of the community who may not have as high a moral compass as others. It may not be a big issue in the afl but in lesser paid positions like my own i can guarantee you the enticement to work two jobs for one or get paid to take time off is too good to pass off for a large number of people

but ill leave it at that and thank for your insights. hopefully we see aaron back one day ass he has alot of potential. or alternatively hopefully we see him succeed at whatever else he chooses to undertake.
 
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