Opinion 10 most over rated current players

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pacman

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Where was he hiding in the QF? Even missed his soda in junk time! Also refer to the post above re the 'match winner' that he is.

Luke Breust is the Lindsey Vonn of downhill skiing. He is a B grade footballer that does his job in one of the greatest sides of all time and is consequently overrated. Another Hawk fan 'raised me' Eddie Betts. Breust is incapable of producing match-winning performances like Eddie did against the Dogs. Stick Breust in a bottom 10 forward line and he'd do diddly squat. I could go on but the debate was had several pages ago. Read it - it is healthy and objective. He is a good player that is overrated by the football media universe whose Sun is in Victoria. Mark LeCras is the far better footballer, but much like Pluto he too was taken for granted by Victorian 'experts' prior to the WCE renaissance because of 'elite' small forwards like Breust!! If he shows up when the game is on the line this week or next week, your laughter is justified. You'll win the prelim and/or flag, but it won't be because of Breust. And that doesn't matter...because he does his job like an honest foot soldier should!
The same question that you ask about Breust you don't ask about Eddie from Friday.

Your opinion and most people wouldn't rate it.
 
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The same question that you ask about Breust you don't ask about Eddie from Friday.

Your opinion and most people wouldn't rate it.
And most people thought the world was flat. Actually I think the individual talents of many of your 8th-17th best players are overrated (Smith, Hill, Birchall, Breust) but that tends to happen when those guys are cogs in a machine whose output is far greater than the sum of its components. The sight of those players' names doesn't scare the living daylights out of me the way three-quarters of those '80s Hawks premiership players used to.
 

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pacman

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And most people thought the world was flat. Actually I think the individual talents of many of your 8th-17th best players are overrated (Smith, Hill, Birchall, Breust) but that tends to happen when those guys are cogs in a machine whose output is far greater than the sum of its components. The sight of those players' names doesn't scare the living daylights out of me the way three-quarters of those '80s Hawks premiership players used to.
Yea Mew, Dipper & Buckenara were all just part of the cog as well.:rolleyes:
As were Hanna, Campo, McKay & Dean for the Blues:rolleyes:
 
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Yea Mew, Dipper & Buckenara were all just part of the cog as well.:rolleyes:
As were Hanna, Campo, McKay & Dean for the Blues:rolleyes:
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Where was he hiding in the QF? Even missed his soda in junk time! Also refer to the post above re the 'match winner' that he is.

Luke Breust is the Lindsey Vonn of downhill skiing. He is a B grade footballer that does his job in one of the greatest sides of all time and is consequently overrated. Another Hawk fan 'raised me' Eddie Betts. Breust is incapable of producing match-winning performances like Eddie did against the Dogs. Stick Breust in a bottom 10 forward line and he'd do diddly squat. I could go on but the debate was had several pages ago. Read it - it is healthy and objective. He is a good player that is overrated by the football media universe whose Sun is in Victoria. Mark LeCras is the far better footballer, but much like Pluto he too was taken for granted by Victorian 'experts' prior to the WCE renaissance because of 'elite' small forwards like Breust!! If he shows up when the game is on the line this week or next week, your laughter is justified. You'll win the prelim and/or flag, but it won't be because of Breust. And that doesn't matter...because he does his job like an honest foot soldier should!

Such an embarrassing post. Give yourself an uppercut.
 
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out mid field feed he receives he would be a dog
Out of the past 5 years he's dropped below 50 goals once in a year, where he played 9 games due to injury. Before this year the midfield would hardly be called "lace out".
 

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I would say Frawley.

Not questioning him as defender, as he is good and has proved so. But every week you hear "Frawley slaughters X" or "Tall forwards killed by Frawley" which is overhype - how? in our Semi, Frawley was on Tex and subdued him well...but the ball barely reached our forward half most of the game and when it did, the delivery was so poor that any defender could read it crystal. Frawley did so, slapped every ball that was delivered off target to Tex's lead and was hailed the G.O.A.T.

And Kennedy yesterday - my newspaper here says he was obliterated by Frawley. Yes, he was held to nothing and Frawley did a decent job on him, but In reality, it's the Hawks midfielders that did the best possible job to stop the ball from getting delivered to Kennedy in the first place. The midfield shut down their firepower.

He is good player and well deserved to have a Premiership, but he is so overhyped. IMHO - disagree if you will, you're allowed to.
 

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Eddie Betts a better footballer, in what capacity? Last time I checked Luke Breust averages more disposals, more marks, more contested marks, more tackles, more clearances, more contested possessions, more inside 50s, more score involvements and more goals in his career then Betts. He's beating Betts in every statistical category not to mention he has way more upside.

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Betts is 100x better. I could kick goals in Hawthorns forward line. Anyone could.....
 
Betts is 100x better. I could kick goals in Hawthorns forward line. Anyone could.....

I guess that's why Eddie Betts was kept to a total of 1 goal in the two games against Hawthorn this year.

Ben Stratton has made Eddie Betts his bitch.
 
I would say Frawley.

Not questioning him as defender, as he is good and has proved so. But every week you hear "Frawley slaughters X" or "Tall forwards killed by Frawley" which is overhype - how? in our Semi, Frawley was on Tex and subdued him well...but the ball barely reached our forward half most of the game and when it did, the delivery was so poor that any defender could read it crystal. Frawley did so, slapped every ball that was delivered off target to Tex's lead and was hailed the G.O.A.T.

And Kennedy yesterday - my newspaper here says he was obliterated by Frawley. Yes, he was held to nothing and Frawley did a decent job on him, but In reality, it's the Hawks midfielders that did the best possible job to stop the ball from getting delivered to Kennedy in the first place. The midfield shut down their firepower.

He is good player and well deserved to have a Premiership, but he is so overhyped. IMHO - disagree if you will, you're allowed to.

He took Walker, Pavlich and Josh Kennedy to the cleaners in the last three games during the finals which led to a Premiership = job done
 

Jesslc

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I guess that's why Eddie Betts was kept to a total of 1 goal in the two games against Hawthorn this year.

Ben Stratton has made Eddie Betts his bitch.
You dont go for hawthorn do you??? Betts was held to 1 goal?

Breust rd 21: 0 goals
Breust rd 22: dnp
Beust rd 23: 0 goals
Breust qual final: 0 goals.

And betts was held to 1 goal in a game LOL
 

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So I couldn't help but read in the herald sun tehy have recently been doing top 10 lists for guys picked late in the draft and it got me to thinking. Why are these players rated now by the media? On what basis? Cyril Rioli ahead of Anthony Stevens ... anyway onto my list. These are players that IMO are over rated by the media and fans alike.

10. Nick Maxwell
Okay so maybe not as much with the fans as he is pretty much widely known as the worst player to be a captain in a while but the media do love him. Had a woeful season and seems like his best, which really wasn't that good to begin with is, well past him. His worst year in some time and should have probably never been an All Australian in the first place. Disposals has him down to his worst year in 4 years and at times was so out of place was thrown forward. Be interested to see if he stays in the team this year.

9. Justin Koschitzke

Not many rate him any more but he is always mentioned as a wild card or danger man for a big game or final. He isn't. He kicked 15 goals this year as a forward/back up ruck. His best is clearly past him and would not be surprised if he wasn't at the Saints after this year. Of course someone will give him a chance due to the hype.

8. Campbell Brown
Ever wonder why Hawks fans were never that dirty on him leaving? Yeah some of it was because they loved him, the other half was because he is finished. Watching Aaron Edwards run a muck on him was embarrasing. If he does go on he will quickly become the liability in their back line. He still is rated fairly highly in the media though. When is his ability ever been questioned? His physicallity at the man has but he will end up a very grumpy man next season if his form continues. Don't expect the Melbourne media to pick up on it though and question McKenna if he gets dropped.

7. Mitch Clark
Not just because Melbourne paid overs for him. He played as a forward who spent 10% of his time in the ruck this year. He still only kicked 27 and had a paultry 82 hit outs. Clearly they didn't need him in the ruck anymore and if he is kicking 27 goals in a season I can't see him being a permanent forward. Another who falls under the Campbell Brown category of people love the way he looks when he plays. Hard and tough but not really effective.

6. David Rodan
I really like Rodan he has had a touch career with the Richmond delisting and knee injuries. He is also a really good dancer. Is this why he seems to be rated so highly? He averaged an ordinary 15 touches a game this year, which amazingly is ahead of his career average.

5. Majak Daw
Hasn't played a senior game yet may be Norths 2nd or 3rd most known player. Media and fans were calling for him to play Senior footy this season. He does the brilliant but still does the very dumb at times. Is progressing really well from where he has come but everybody needs to calm down.

4. Jarrad Waite
We all heard that he would have pushed the Blues further into the finals. Really? He kicked 16 goals from 12 games. The most he has ever kicked in a season is 36. He is a handy forward or back man. He isn't the KPP that will answer their problems. Injury prone and does stupid things on the field. But he is the saviour allegedly.

3. Nic Naitanui

Like Majak can do the amazing and his performance in that final against Collingwood was amazing, he is getting better but is still not at the level that some speak of. Gerard Healy is the main culprit here. I've heard him say Nic Nat purposely dropped a mark to a crumber. Really?. Will be a superstar if he can find consistancy but isn't yet.

2. Patrick Dangerfield
Only 4 seasons into his career but put a tagger on him and you won't have to worry. Would look like a jet in Geelong or Collingwoods team but when you can tag him out of the game so easily it says a fair bit about his mental application. Is always a favourite with dream teamers and is fantastic when he has the 4 goal 30 touch games. But when he has his 6 touch games you realise he really needs consistency. Will hopefully get there but not just yet.

1. Cyril Rioli
Probably the most over rated footballer I have ever seen. When Buddy went down against Geelong some media outlets and fans were calling for Cyril to be the focus up forward. Had they done that, Sydney would have played Collingwood in the prelim. Is a beautifully skilled footballer but just doesn't get enough of it or kick enough goals. Sometimes you wonder if his name was Jack Smith and he played for Fremantle if he would get the same media attention. My guess is no.
Well doesn't someone feel like an idiot..
 

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So I couldn't help but read in the herald sun tehy have recently been doing top 10 lists for guys picked late in the draft and it got me to thinking. Why are these players rated now by the media? On what basis? Cyril Rioli ahead of Anthony Stevens ... anyway onto my list. These are players that IMO are over rated by the media and fans alike.

10. Nick Maxwell
Okay so maybe not as much with the fans as he is pretty much widely known as the worst player to be a captain in a while but the media do love him. Had a woeful season and seems like his best, which really wasn't that good to begin with is, well past him. His worst year in some time and should have probably never been an All Australian in the first place. Disposals has him down to his worst year in 4 years and at times was so out of place was thrown forward. Be interested to see if he stays in the team this year.

9. Justin Koschitzke

Not many rate him any more but he is always mentioned as a wild card or danger man for a big game or final. He isn't. He kicked 15 goals this year as a forward/back up ruck. His best is clearly past him and would not be surprised if he wasn't at the Saints after this year. Of course someone will give him a chance due to the hype.

8. Campbell Brown
Ever wonder why Hawks fans were never that dirty on him leaving? Yeah some of it was because they loved him, the other half was because he is finished. Watching Aaron Edwards run a muck on him was embarrasing. If he does go on he will quickly become the liability in their back line. He still is rated fairly highly in the media though. When is his ability ever been questioned? His physicallity at the man has but he will end up a very grumpy man next season if his form continues. Don't expect the Melbourne media to pick up on it though and question McKenna if he gets dropped.

7. Mitch Clark
Not just because Melbourne paid overs for him. He played as a forward who spent 10% of his time in the ruck this year. He still only kicked 27 and had a paultry 82 hit outs. Clearly they didn't need him in the ruck anymore and if he is kicking 27 goals in a season I can't see him being a permanent forward. Another who falls under the Campbell Brown category of people love the way he looks when he plays. Hard and tough but not really effective.

6. David Rodan
I really like Rodan he has had a touch career with the Richmond delisting and knee injuries. He is also a really good dancer. Is this why he seems to be rated so highly? He averaged an ordinary 15 touches a game this year, which amazingly is ahead of his career average.

5. Majak Daw
Hasn't played a senior game yet may be Norths 2nd or 3rd most known player. Media and fans were calling for him to play Senior footy this season. He does the brilliant but still does the very dumb at times. Is progressing really well from where he has come but everybody needs to calm down.

4. Jarrad Waite
We all heard that he would have pushed the Blues further into the finals. Really? He kicked 16 goals from 12 games. The most he has ever kicked in a season is 36. He is a handy forward or back man. He isn't the KPP that will answer their problems. Injury prone and does stupid things on the field. But he is the saviour allegedly.


3. Nic Naitanui

Like Majak can do the amazing and his performance in that final against Collingwood was amazing, he is getting better but is still not at the level that some speak of. Gerard Healy is the main culprit here. I've heard him say Nic Nat purposely dropped a mark to a crumber. Really?. Will be a superstar if he can find consistancy but isn't yet.

2. Patrick Dangerfield
Only 4 seasons into his career but put a tagger on him and you won't have to worry. Would look like a jet in Geelong or Collingwoods team but when you can tag him out of the game so easily it says a fair bit about his mental application. Is always a favourite with dream teamers and is fantastic when he has the 4 goal 30 touch games. But when he has his 6 touch games you realise he really needs consistency. Will hopefully get there but not just yet.

1. Cyril Rioli
Probably the most over rated footballer I have ever seen. When Buddy went down against Geelong some media outlets and fans were calling for Cyril to be the focus up forward. Had they done that, Sydney would have played Collingwood in the prelim. Is a beautifully skilled footballer but just doesn't get enough of it or kick enough goals. Sometimes you wonder if his name was Jack Smith and he played for Fremantle if he would get the same media attention. My guess is no.

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