Autopsy 11 point win against Fremantle

[SwansProudly]

 

[rustycrate]

Our key defenders should just pack it up and go home and let the midfielders the coaches all love so much fend for themselves, and then see where we end up. It's a joke. Our back 6/7 were the only ones that saved the midfielders' shithouse defending of territory from costing us the game.

The backs did their job.
The rest of the team had their job too and they were executing,

I will give you a tip. We won. So some forward of your back 6/7 were doing their job too. Like kicking a winning score.

 

[The King!]

Was outstanding in the first half to 3/4 time mediocre after that but him, Errol and Grundy were a big reason we had the match winning lead

He was good but the turnovers were costly, putting him out bests is a stretch imo, but he has a profile and is Chad Warner .

 

[ashep]

Have to disagree, you can see how much better the midfield has looked because there are runners on the outside. Has also allowed the entries into the forward line to be less rushed and better. Can see that McLean is actually getting decent service and looking better and Amartey is getting almost too many shots.

Also think people give Mills a little too much stick for his dangerous ball use at times but you can see even on the TV how he commands the back 6 and just intercepts so many dumb kicks.

Yes Amartey is a big in but Gulden and Mills completely redefine how we play and our efficiency

Completely agree. Gulden has been transformative and Mills very important in starting our transition out of defence.

Amartey firing is definitely a game changer as well, but our midfield is competing with - and beating - some of the best in the comp.

But hey, would be great if we didn't have to choose and everyone could just stay fit for a few months!

 

[caesar88]

The backs did their job.
The rest of the team had their job too and they were executing,

I will give you a tip. We won. So some forward of your back 6/7 were doing their job too. Like kicking a winning score.

Yeah, like Lloyd, who was helping out down back and also kicking goals as part of the winning score you speak of.

 

[RilesMacca]

Warner votes surprising

Bit hit and miss with the kicking but thought he was very good on the inside, attacked it well and got the ball out of traffic on a number of occasions

Was in my votes but understandable people didn’t have him in theirs

 

[ashep]

Yeah, like Lloyd, who was helping out down back and also kicking goals as part of the winning score you speak of.

20 & 2 with a handful of tackles and 19 pressure acts is a very well rounded performance to be certain.

 

[The King!]

Bit hit and miss with the kicking but thought he was very good on the inside, attacked it well and got the ball out of traffic on a number of occasions

Was in my votes but understandable people didn’t have him in theirs

Yeah not trying to be critical he was good. But there's others ahead.

Lloyd had 20 odd 2 goals and only 1 turnover but stuff

but nice to have plenty to choose from, better than struggling to find good Swans.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He was good but the turnovers were costly, putting him out bests is a stretch imo, but he has a profile and is Chad Warner .

I would have had him in my votes too a vote or two. He’d easily have been in our top 5

 

[The King!]

I would have had him in my votes too a vote or two. He’d easily have been in our top 5

To each their own, he was good

 

[LukeParkerno1]

To each their own, he was good

For 3/4 lol

Needs to do it for a whole game though

 

[Ticky009]

 

[ashep]

Not much beats seeing a fringe player stand up and do something really important

 

[caesar88]

Actually the most beautiful thing I've seen

 

[Ticky009]

 

[Jewelsbon]

Our key defenders should just pack it up and go home and let the midfielders the coaches all love so much fend for themselves, and then see where we end up. It's a joke. Our back 6/7 were the only ones that saved the midfielders' shithouse defending of territory from costing us the game.

Sorry Caesar but it's very hard to take posts like this from you seriously when you consistently (or some may say stubbornly) refuse to acknowledge how incredibly great Grundy has been playing second half of the season.

You don't seem to think the coaches have any idea what they are talking about, but just for arguments sake, let's see how Grundy has rated with those within who's hands our fortunes lay.
In our last four games, big Brodes has gotten 35 coaches votes - an average of 8.75 per game,
Let's just compare this to the last four games of the current top 4 in the coaches votes and see how it compares;
Noah Anderson 14
Daicos 24
Bailey Smith 13
Judas 10
Looks like the ones who matter see his performances very different to you.

Now, we all view things differently and you've made it VERY clear you don't rate ruckmen, but you're refusal to give credit where credit is due, takes any other views you have pretty much irrelevant.

 

[ashep]

Launches it from 50 after cantering from the circle without a bounce

 

[bedford]

Warner votes surprising

He got us going early

 

[rustycrate]

Yeah, like Lloyd, who was helping out down back and also kicking goals as part of the winning score you speak of.

Yep I will include him in my players not in your back 6/7 contibuting to the win.

 

[bedford]

Actually the most beautiful thing I've seen

I liked Leo Barry

 

[bedford]

Launches it from 50 after cantering from the circle without a bounce

9 paces

 

[caesar88]

Sorry Caesar but it's very hard to take posts like this from you seriously when you consistently (or some may say stubbornly) refuse to acknowledge how incredibly great Grundy has been playing second half of the season.

You don't seem to think the coaches have any idea what they are talking about, but just for arguments sake, let's see how Grundy has rated with those within who's hands our fortunes lay.
In our last four games, big Brodes has gotten 35 coaches votes - an average of 8.75 per game,
Let's just compare this to the last four games of the current top 4 in the coaches votes and see how it compares;
Noah Anderson 14
Daicos 24
Bailey Smith 13
Judas 10
Looks like the ones who matter see his performances very different to you.

Now, we all view things differently and you've made it VERY clear you don't rate ruckmen, but you're refusal to give credit where credit is due, takes any other views you have pretty much irrelevant.

I am a bit sick of the Grundy discourse surrounding me, tbh.

Other than I think two comments in the game day thread yesterday where I mentioned he did something dumb - along with many others as well btw - find me ONE example recently where I have criticised or been negative about Grundy. Just one.

I will save you the time. This was the last time I posted something negative about him, and it was hardly venomous. Merely an observation (that was liked by five other people, mind you):

I don't know what the stats show, but I think the reason I am never overly impressed with Grundy is because I think he's quite wasteful in and around the stoppages. He gets first hands to a lot of possessions, but when he's not tapping it he has this awful habit of just taking it out of the ruck contest and doing some blind handball to the outside, in a direction that's impossible to predict and we're often out-numbered in. It really feels like he puts next to no thought in working with his mids (who have their own problems that are another matter entirely.)

Since then, I've said the following about Grundy.

Acknowledged he is probably leading our B&F:

Roberts, along with Grundy, is probably leading our B&F at this stage

Acknowledged his good year despite the position I don't rate:

Brodie Grundy - Good for a ruckman.

Acknowledged that his third quarter in particular against the Bulldogs was the Grundy (and Heeney & Gulden) show:

That third quarter was seen as some amazing return of the Bloods footy, but it really wasn't. It was just the Heeney, Grundy & Gulden show.

Acknowledged (again) that he is probably leading our B&F:

And though we aren't a top side, I would probably have Grundy & Jordon (both only considered fringe players at Melbourne) in the top 3 of our B&F this year.

Acknowledged him in my POTY votes yesterday:

5 - Lloyd
4 - Jordon (Lloyd)
3 - McLean (Lloyd)
2 - Hamling (Lloyd)
1 - Grundy (Lloyd)

YPOTY - Roberts

Acknowledged him as edging out Hayward in the votes for mine, even though Hayward delivered big time in the one area I have been very vocal about rating above all others (pressure):

Grundy had a good first half, Hayward had a great last quarter, so Grundy edged Hayward out in the votes for mine.

...but because I dare to acknowledge others in a few POTY votes, it's been painted out as some kind of weird agenda that I have against Grundy.

So sorry Jewels but it's an absolute piss-take IMO.

I also think it is a gigantic reach to draw parallels between what a nobody on Bigfooty thinks of Grundy (who is raved about every single week both by fans and in the media) vs other players who often get SFA recognition, this week being just another example of it.

 

[ashep]

I am a bit sick of the Grundy discourse surrounding me, tbh.

Other than I think two comments in the game day thread yesterday where I mentioned he did something dumb - along with many others as well btw - find me ONE example recently where I have criticised or been negative about Grundy. Just one.

I will save you the time. This was the last time I posted something negative about him, and it was hardly venomous. Merely an observation (that was liked by five other people, mind you):



Since then, I've said the following about Grundy.

Acknowledged he is probably leading our B&F:



Acknowledged his good year despite the position I don't rate:



Acknowledged that his third quarter in particular against the Bulldogs was the Grundy (and Heeney & Gulden) show:



Acknowledged (again) that he is probably leading our B&F:



Acknowledged him in my POTY votes yesterday:



Acknowledged him as edging out Hayward in the votes for mine, even though Hayward delivered big time in the one area I have been very vocal about rating above all others (pressure):



...but because I dare to acknowledge others in a few POTY votes, it's been painted out as some kind of weird agenda that I have against Grundy.

So sorry Jewels but it's an absolute piss-take IMO.

I also think it is a gigantic reach to draw parallels between what a nobody on Bigfooty thinks of Grundy (who is raved about every single week both by fans and in the media) vs other players who often get SFA recognition, this week being just another example of it.

It's pretty simple to be honest. Grundy is in the richest vein of form we've seen from a Swans ruck in years and you refuse to acknowledge it.

It doesn't mean you hate the bloke but for example when he was unanimously voted BOG in a brilliant win vs Port, you gave Francis a vote over him when he had 5 disposals in half a game.

To your credit you've stuck fat that you vote based on what you value - fine - but that would suggest that you either don't value the immense contribution Grundy has been making to our performances, or alternatively, you don't understand it, but then go on to blow up when people don't recognize those you want them to.

Sure at the end of the day it's just footy opinions from some anonymous plonkers on the Internet but they should be at least based in reality.

 

[Jewelsbon]

I am a bit sick of the Grundy discourse surrounding me, tbh.

Other than I think two comments in the game day thread yesterday where I mentioned he did something dumb - along with many others as well btw - find me ONE example recently where I have criticised or been negative about Grundy. Just one.

I will save you the time. This was the last time I posted something negative about him, and it was hardly venomous. Merely an observation (that was liked by five other people, mind you):



Since then, I've said the following about Grundy.

Acknowledged he is probably leading our B&F:



Acknowledged his good year despite the position I don't rate:



Acknowledged that his third quarter in particular against the Bulldogs was the Grundy (and Heeney & Gulden) show:



Acknowledged (again) that he is probably leading our B&F:



Acknowledged him in my POTY votes yesterday:



Acknowledged him as edging out Hayward in the votes for mine, even though Hayward delivered big time in the one area I have been very vocal about rating above all others (pressure):



...but because I dare to acknowledge others as well as simply being above Grundy, it's been painted out as some kind of weird agenda that I have against Grundy.

So sorry Jewels but it's an absolute piss-take IMO.

I also think it is a gigantic reach to draw parallels between what a nobody on Bigfooty thinks of Grundy (who is raved about every single week both by fans and in the media) vs other players who often get SFA recognition, this week being just another example of it.

My post had nothing to do with what you have or haven't written about him, it is your stubbourness in the POTY to acknowledge what he's doing on field and I feel the coaches votes are the perfect comparison. In the four games I used, you have given him 1 vote as opposed to the 35 the coaches have awarded him. Now to be fair, you didn't seem to vote in the WB game, but I'd bet my house that you wouldn't have given him any points in that game either.

Your dirty on the coaches for not acknowledging the backline, but your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the player who has so clearly - in most other spectators eyes anyway, been clearly one of our best afield recently, is irritating and as I said before, makes any other point's you have pretty redundant.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Actually the most beautiful thing I've seen

A sequence of pressure acts, even if some didn't stick, finished off nicely. Freo over handball because they had no choice.

 

[Jewelsbon]

It's pretty simple to be honest. Grundy is in the richest vein of form we've seen from a Swans ruck in years and you refuse to acknowledge it.

It doesn't mean you hate the bloke but for example when he was unanimously voted BOG in a brilliant win vs Port, you gave Francis a vote over him when he had 5 disposals in half a game.

To your credit you've stuck fat that you vote based on what you value - fine - but that would suggest that you either don't value the immense contribution Grundy has been making to our performances, or alternatively, you don't understand it, but then go on to blow up when people don't recognize those you want them to.

Thanks Ashep, thats exactly what I was trying to say. You explained it so much better than I did!