Player Watch #13 Clayton Oliver - Still a ginger

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I know people don't like the AFL player ratings system but Oliver is ranked third lol. And yeah along with Brayshaw and Oliver his clearance work is through the roof this year. Much better disposal though. If we were 2-2 even he'd probably be getting more appreciation, but it's hard to see the good of what he's doing atm.
 

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I know people don't like the AFL player ratings system but Oliver is ranked third lol. And yeah along with Brayshaw and Oliver his clearance work is through the roof this year. Much better disposal though. If we were 2-2 even he'd probably be getting more appreciation, but it's hard to see the good of what he's doing atm.
I see the good of everything he does.
 

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I know people don't like the AFL player ratings system but Oliver is ranked third lol. And yeah along with Brayshaw and Oliver his clearance work is through the roof this year. Much better disposal though. If we were 2-2 even he'd probably be getting more appreciation, but it's hard to see the good of what he's doing atm.
I don't even think he's playing that well. He's taking the first handball option again rather than assessing multiple options and he is still our best player.
 

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Agree, I love him but he has gone into his shell again.
Back to his 2017 form not 2018, too many of those 1m handballs to flat footed targets etc. He's good enough to almost drag us across the line in a game single handedly he just doesn't know how good he is yet
 

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Back to his 2017 form not 2018, too many of those 1m handballs to flat footed targets etc. He's good enough to almost drag us across the line in a game single handedly he just doesn't know how good he is yet
Agree, I think that is the biggest flaw in his game right now. He still doesn't realize just how good he is...
 

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It's harder to have confidence in yourself when you can't have confidence in your team either.
Meh it's gotta start somewhere.
He's literally the first link in the chain.
Would I spend time picking wholes in his game atm? Nah.
Is he playing at his best? I don't think he is much more than a pass on his own standards
 

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He’ll keep getting better this year. Missed a fair chunk of pre season with the double shoulder op and is still in our top few. He is also down a few tackles a game. Possibly due to the shoulders.
I don't think the shoulder surgery has affected his tackling. I think its more the fact we haven't been locking the ball in to the opposition half like we were last year and making it more of a contested maul. It's a more open game now so guys who are in and under at the contest are going to be tackling less.
 
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I don't think the shoulder surgery has affected his tackling. I think its more the fact we haven't been locking the ball in to the opposition half like we were last year and making it more of a contested maul. It's a more open game now so guys who are in and under at the contest are going to tackling less.
I have no idea on the numbers, but tackling across the board looks to be way down this year. It's become an outside type of non contact sport now unfortunately..
 

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I’d like to see clarry emphasise his defensive efforts, particularly at stoppages (only nit picking) Sometimes his quick hands can be to quick and the receiver is under as much pressure as him. I’d love to see him kick more, he is a good decision maker and a penetration kick.
 

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I have no idea on the numbers, but tackling across the board looks to be way down this year. It's become an outside type of non contact sport now unfortunately..
It's due to it having less stoppages now thanks to the 6-6-6 and the kick in but it wasn't any better to watch last year with 120 tackles in 3 minutes. Game is broken as fu**
 

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He’ll keep getting better this year. Missed a fair chunk of pre season with the double shoulder op and is still in our top few. He is also down a few tackles a game. Possibly due to the shoulders.
Good point. He's probably reluctant to be tackled all too much right now, hence taking the first option. Classic reaction to surgery. Would expect that to go after a few more games.
 

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Clayton Oliver is officially the worst in the AFL for kicking I50, of Claytons 45 kicks inside 50, just 4 have been retained by a Melbourne player.
Add that to the rubbish handballs of this season and hes playing as poorly as he has ever played in a Dees jumper. I know people get excited over high possession games but when he gets the ball almost nothing happens this season.

Olivers 8.9% retention rate is the worst in the AFL

3rd worst in the AFL is Ed Langdon with a retention rate of 17%, of course we are ******* interested in him

Add that to Viney and Brayshaw and thats the be all and end all of our terrible I50 entries. We will never be a consistently good team with these 3 playing together unless one of them changes their game.
 
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Clayton Oliver is officially the worst in the AFL for kicking I50, of Claytons 45 kicks inside 50, just 4 have been retained by a Melbourne player.
Add that to the rubbish handballs of this season and hes playing as poorly as he has ever played in a Dees jumper. I know people get excited over high possession games but when he gets the ball almost nothing happens this season.

Olivers 8.9% retention rate is the worst in the AFL

3rd worst in the AFL is Ed Langdon with a retention rate of 17%, of course we are ******* interested in him

Add that to Viney and Brayshaw and thats the be all and end all of our terrible I50 entries. We will never be a consistently good team with these 3 playing together unless one of them changes their game.
If we are gonna play with no real plan for going inside 50 we should at least kick it low and hard to give our forwards some chance, but no, we continue to bomb it with long, sky high up and under kicks every week. Defenders lick their lips over that s**t. Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney and Jones are all repeat offenders.
 

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If we are gonna play with no real plan for going inside 50 we should at least kick it low and hard to give our forwards some chance, but no, we continue to bomb it with long, sky high up and under kicks every week. Defenders lick their lips over that ****. Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney and Jones are all repeat offenders.
Or we can do what Richmond does, go out and find as many gun small forwards as possible to atleast do damage from the entries.

They have, Rioli, Butler, Castagna, Higgins, Bolton who are all better than our best small.
 

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Clayton Oliver is officially the worst in the AFL for kicking I50, of Claytons 45 kicks inside 50, just 4 have been retained by a Melbourne player.
Add that to the rubbish handballs of this season and hes playing as poorly as he has ever played in a Dees jumper. I know people get excited over high possession games but when he gets the ball almost nothing happens this season.

Olivers 8.9% retention rate is the worst in the AFL

3rd worst in the AFL is Ed Langdon with a retention rate of 17%, of course we are ******* interested in him

Add that to Viney and Brayshaw and thats the be all and end all of our terrible I50 entries. We will never be a consistently good team with these 3 playing together unless one of them changes their game.
The retention rate isn't surprising, even last year or the year before i don't recall him ever holding onto it long. He's always been quick to fire out a handball rather than hold the footy, but his disposal has been a lot worse this year.

I'll back him in though, poor seasons happen and you get caught falling into bad habits. He's young and already achieved so much, i'd expect a return to the Clarry i know next year
 

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The retention rate isn't surprising, even last year or the year before i don't recall him ever holding onto it long. He's always been quick to fire out a handball rather than hold the footy, but his disposal has been a lot worse this year.

I'll back him in though, poor seasons happen and you get caught falling into bad habits. He's young and already achieved so much, i'd expect a return to the Clarry i know next year
Did you not understand retention rate? He's the worst kick inside 50 in the AFL. He wasn't great before but now he's the worst.
 

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Or we can do what Richmond does, go out and find as many gun small forwards as possible to atleast do damage from the entries.

They have, Rioli, Butler, Castagna, Higgins, Bolton who are all better than our best small.
I'd be interested to know Richmond retention rate, but also there ground ball inside 50's
 

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Go easy on Clarry. He’s still killing it. He’s had a very interrupted preseason and is probably still building his fitness. When you’re a bit under done the game can feel quicker. He’s a beautiful kick, he just generally wins the ball under intense pressure.
We need to stop writing off all of our players.
 

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Go easy on Clarry. He’s still killing it. He’s had a very interrupted preseason and is probably still building his fitness. When you’re a bit under done the game can feel quicker. He’s a beautiful kick, he just generally wins the ball under intense pressure.
We need to stop writing off all of our players.
Maybe if we package up him and Brayshaw we could get an early second rounder ... neither of them are playing infallible football at the moment, so clearly they aren't worth persisting with ...
 

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Go easy on Clarry. He’s still killing it. He’s had a very interrupted preseason and is probably still building his fitness. When you’re a bit under done the game can feel quicker. He’s a beautiful kick, he just generally wins the ball under intense pressure.
We need to stop writing off all of our players.
Not a single ******* person wrote him off
 

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