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[Mattrox]

Don't worry Mattrox, Gobba is here to save you.

Gobba, maybe you can explain why Mattrox claimed the GWS game was an outlier but couldn't show me the mathematical workings.

More like you had a comprehesion fail.

 

[Elite Crow]

You've got to realise D Flog's Port World is a mess. What he needs to realise that Port are shit because of their own poor choices, whether it be recruiting, drafting or coaching choices. As a result their supporters are voting with their feet and sleep. Blaming everyone but themselves is denial and D lives in denial.

 

[Geoffa32]

Incorrect. Both crowds are falling for the same underlying reasons.

Ours are on the up.

Ports are not.


You get dumber by the day.


I swear you are only this obtuse for attention.

 

[Mattrox]

Years you finished top 4 and your average crowds
1997 - 40173.18
2002 - 43068.36
2005 - 42341.00
2006 - 42454.73
2012 - 36824.00 *

yep about 5000.

* yet to finish top 4

Which of those years has 1st year expansion clubs as part of the home game figures? Which of those years were before AAMI stadium re-development which reduced the overall capacity hence the number of memberships that could be sold? Including those years in a comparison against this year cannot be done. Because against the 1st question there are no more years to compare to. Either it's end of discussion or we exclude the GWS figure and look at figures then. Yes the average is still lower but is a better reflection.

2003 we were not top 4 yet we beat our 2002 numbers so I'm not entirely convinced "Top 4" is a good measure.
I think it is more about the anticipation of a good game. I think some Crow fans are still gun-shy about the last 2 Neil Craig years where he was inflexible and trained the team until they were more suseptible to injury. Crowd behaviour is a complex science so lets have a look at how we finish out the year and improve crowd figures next year too.

As opposed to Port Power who are haemorraging money from most home games. Stealing money from clubs which can actually draw a crowd!

 

[Elite Crow]

I wonder how many of the 14k actually bought tickets? How many were give aways?

I saw two Freo supporters in town afterwards so there's 2 less Port supporters who went

 

[kaysee]

Ours are on the up.

Ports are not.

...

Might want to hold your breathe on that claim... got some low drawing fixtures coming up:

- Essendon on Sunday night.
- Fremantle on Saturday arvo.
- GCS... TBA.

Need to average ~36k for each of those games to lay claim to "raising attendances"... not going to happen.

 

[Geoffa32]

Might want to hold your breathe on that claim... got some low drawing fixtures coming up:

- Essendon on Sunday night.
- Fremantle on Saturday arvo.
- GCS... TBA.

Need to average ~36k for each of those games to lay claim to "raising attendances"... not going to happen.

I don't mean just in terms of crowd numbers.

As a club we are on the up. Port are stuck in the Abyss.


Of course that is all the SANFL's fault, aint it?



And who knows, we could average 36,000 for those games. Essendon draw well, couple of thousand of "them" in your crowd of 17000 against them.

Our last Saturday arvo game had 40,000 against WCE, a low drawing opposition in SA.

GC game, who knows. A belting to a minnow on the eve of Finals could bring plenty "theatre goers" out of the woodwork.

 

[kaysee]

I don't mean just in terms of crowd numbers.

...

Again, showing you delusions

D_one states crowds are falling, you retort "Ours are on the up" and then claim you "don't mean just in terms of crowd numbers"???

Dopey and clueless you are... almost overtaking Reflux as the dumbest poster on BF. Factual!

 

[Mattrox]

Lets look at Port after all this thread is about a club that is stealing revenue away from other clubs.

2012 thus far 21265
2011 21676
2010 23044
2009 24349
2008 23842
2007 27870
2006 27257
2005 32911 (Is the 2005 figure warning us about the impending 119?)
2004 29877
2003 31845
2002 31414

Need I go on? If you take a 31K figure as a rough average of "the good years" your figures have dropped ~10K since then.

I don't have to ask you why. It is because your own supporters are sick of the rubbish that they have to endure, and have had to endure for a long time.

With Primus at the helm, will 2013 be the year that your average drops under 20K or can it happen this year? Please note that last year the Gold Coast are credited with an average of 19K figure for home games. Can Port Power supporters troll their own club that much that they attract less crowd than Gold Coast last year? Round 21 against WCE and 22 against Bris need to be good to avoid embarrasing yourselves!

 

[Elite Crow]

Kaysee, do you blame the SANFL for 14k showing up to your game or your shit team?

 

[Geoffa32]

Again, showing you delusions

D_one states crowds are falling, you retort "Ours are on the up" and then claim you "don't mean just in terms of crowd numbers"???

Dopey and clueless you are... almost overtaking Reflux as the dumbest poster on BF. Factual!

Our crowds are on the up.

Averaged 35020 last year

Averaging 36825 this year


ie on the up........Dumbass.

And on the whole the club is on the way up. Playing Finals after two years out of them, some great young talent coming through and soon we will be playing at Adelaide Oval, our real home ground.


You starting to sound like your cranky brother when proven wrong, before alcohol induced dementia took hold.

 

[Geoffa32]

Kaysee, do you blame the SANFL for 14k showing up to your game or your shit team?

This will be good.

 

[kaysee]

Our crowds are on the up.

Averaged 35020 last year

Averaging 36825 this year


ie on the up........Dumbass.


You starting to sound like your cranky brother when proven wrong, before alcohol induced dementia took hold.

Before your cause your fragile body damage.

 

[Marty64]

My mother has been offered a free lunch and ticket to help fill the void, the pap smears are getting desperate now.

 

[D_One]

The definiton of an outlier is a) a point that lies outside Median + 1.5xIQR or Median - 1.5xIQR
b) Q1 + 1.5xIQR or Q3 - 1.5xIQR

Due to a small sample size I chose definition a).

the 1.5 is in the definiton
IQR = Upper Quartile - Lower Quartile

The Value 46893 is the upper boundary using definition a) and therefore the Collingwood game is not an outlier under this definiton.

In any case the GWS factor is dragging the average down. This was not a factor in previous years.

Shall we try median +/- 1.5*IQR

Here are the 8 games and there crowds in order.

28261
33780
34021
35535
36394
40714
41649
44238

Median: (35535 + 36394)/2 = 35964.5

Let's use method 2 first.

Method 2.
Lower quartile (xL): 33780 +( 34021 - 33780)/4 = 33840.25
Upper quartile (xU): 41649 - (41649 - 40714)/4 = 41415.25

IQR = 41415.25 - 33840.25 = 7575
1.5 * IQR = 1.5 * 7575 = 11362.5

Lower Outlier: Median – 1.5*IQR = 35964.5 - 11362.5 = 24602
Upper Outlier: Median + 1.5*IQR = 35964.5 + 11362.5 = 47327

It looks like there are no outliers there.

Method 1.
Lower quartile (xL): (33780 + 34021)/2 = 33900.5
Upper quartile (xU): (40714 + 41649)/2 = 41181.5

IQR = 41181.5 - 33900.5 = 7281
1.5 * IQR = 1.5 * 7281 = 10921.5

Lower Outlier: Median – 1.5*IQR = 35964.5 - 10921.5 = 25043
Upper Outlier: Median + 1.5*IQR = 35964.5 + 10921.5 = 46886

I am starting to understand why you wouldn't show me the derivation of your values. It's because using both methods the GWS game is not an an outlier and it would expose you as the lying sack of shit you are.

 

[RonSon]

The down side of a soft draw is poor home game attendence.

Lol, are you serious?

You may have less "marquee" games [which I'm not sure is true any way] but without the upswing in success I doubt very much there would have been any increase in crowds.

 

[kaysee]

Kaysee, do you blame the SANFL for 14k showing up to your game or your shit team?

there about 10 variables impacting our crowd figures, each with their own weighting, those are 2 of them with the "shitness" of our team weighted higher.

 

[D_One]

But our Crowds are not falling this year.

 

[Mattrox]

You want to know what the percentage decrease in Crowd numbers for each club are? I can tell you that Port Power's don't look good at all.

 

[D_One]

I could, but Mattox has and you are too dumb to understand.

Hey look up in the sky Mattrox, is it a bird, is it a plane ...

... no it's Supergobba ... and he's here to rescue you.

 

[xamol]

Why are Ports average crowds this year their lowest...................ever??

 

[D_One]

More like you had a comprehesion fail.

What am I failing to comprehend from the following?

Ok D, here is your answer about attendances.

GWS

These are our figures minus the GWS game 34021, 41649, 35535, 44238, 33780, 40724, 36394 average = 38048

GWS 28261 New average = 36824

If I use median-1.5xIRQ to define an outlier, then the attendence figure is considered an outlier, ie an anomoly.

You are a charleton and a fraud, you trot out dodgy statistics at every occasion. Our Crowd numbers are just fine, thank you very much.

Since the actual value for GWS does not lie outside method a) there is no need to calculate method b).

Who is a charleton and a fraud using dodgy statistics now, you lying sack of shit.

 

[Dirt Track]

Why are Ports average crowds this year their lowest...................ever??

Duck, dodge,dive,weave... Bring up irrelevant Adelaide stat.

 

[D_One]

You've got to realise D Flog's Port World is a mess. What he needs to realise that Port are shit because of their own poor choices, whether it be recruiting, drafting or coaching choices. As a result their supporters are voting with their feet and sleep. Blaming everyone but themselves is denial and D lives in denial.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Hang on I'm convinced D one is bot,

Crows average attendance: 30,000+
Powers average 22,000+

Total attendance to date
Crows: 511,000+
Power: 376,000+

The port sit's on the bottom of the ladder only ahead of the expansion teams in terms of attendance.

Port is the only non expansion team not to crack 400K in attendance.

Port haven't got over 30,000 to a home game not in involving the crows
The crows have only had 1 crowd that was less then 30,000

The highest attended game at AAMI this year not featuring the crows: 26,000+ vs the hawks

The highest attended game at AAMI this year not featuring port: 44,000+ vs the collingwood

Like for like:
Saint kilda vs port at AAMI staduim: 21,000+
Saint kilda vs crows at AAMI staduim: 36,000+

Games at AAMI stadium with attendance's over 25,000 excluding games against each other

Port: 1
Crows: 7

And your trying to say the crows numbers are shit?

Adelaide is propping up your shit stain of a club!