AFL Player 15: Dyson Sharp - 187cm midfielder & SA Captain, Welcome to Essendon!

[doug85]

It seems like recruiters tend to focus too much on what a player can't do, nitpicking their weaknesses instead of really assessing their strengths.

 

[Foxx]

It seems like recruiters tend to focus too much on what a player can't do, nitpicking their weaknesses instead of really assessing their strengths.

Recruiters are aware the current game is biased towards speed and/or elite disposal on the outside after all the rule changes.
So they are recruiting with the primary focus being on these attributes.
Sharp is a very good chance to be a star regardless. He would have been a top 3 draft pick pre rule changes.

 

[ant555]

Recruiters are aware the current game is biased towards speed and/or elite disposal on the outside after all the rule changes.
So they are recruiting with the primary focus being on these attributes.
Sharp is a very good chance to be a star regardless. He would have been a top 3 draft pick pre rule changes.

People keep saying the rule changes are changing the game but I do not agree. Yes the AFL wants a free flowing game and have changed a few things but at the end of the day coaches change the game.
Even with the rule changes you can still play slow and contested if you can defend.
The current game is evolving from the Richmond move the ball forward in numbers game.
Skill and players with good football IQ have always worked as has some outside speed.
The Mathew Knights game plan was not all that different.
In the end it comes down to balance. You can not simply go too outside but you can not be like we have been and be too slow with no ball movers.
The best sides have always had a balance of both.
The last touch rule will have minimal impact as well based on what has gone on in the SANFL

 

[Foxx]

People keep saying the rule changes are changing the game but I do not agree. Yes the AFL wants a free flowing game and have changed a few things but at the end of the day coaches change the game.
Even with the rule changes you can still play slow and contested if you can defend.
The current game is evolving from the Richmond move the ball forward in numbers game.
Skill and players with good football IQ have always worked as has some outside speed.
The Mathew Knights game plan was not all that different.
In the end it comes down to balance. You can not simply go too outside but you can not be like we have been and be too slow with no ball movers.
The best sides have always had a balance of both.
The last touch rule will have minimal impact as well based on what has gone on in the SANFL

And the AFL will continue to respond by introducing further rule changes that reduce concussions. Which will make the game less contest and more outside.

 

[Don Won]

in future years, people are going to ****ing blow out that this guy slipped to pick 13. Absolute steal. Ridiculous

Agree wholeheartedly except that it will not be referred to as ‘pic 13’, but rather the ‘Hawthorn failed bid pic, Pic 13’

 

[faible]

And the AFL will continue to respond by introducing further rule changes that reduce concussions. Which will make the game less contest and more outside.

Without having done any looking in to it at all, I'd have thought more congested games produce less concussions because the play and players are slower moving.

 

[Foxx]

Without having done any looking in to it at all, I'd have thought more congested games produce less concussions because the play and players are slower moving.

Thats a fair observation. Possibly. But all the work the AFL have put into reducing concussions, and coming up with these changes that reduce congestion, they must conclude that more open play and space will reduce head knocks.

 

[Lore]

It seems like recruiters tend to focus too much on what a player can't do, nitpicking their weaknesses instead of really assessing their strengths.

In the top end of the draft they do. If everyone has 10 strengths, but some have 5 weaknesses and some have 10, then that becomes the point of difference.

 

[faible]

Thats a fair observation. Possibly. But all the work the AFL have put into reducing concussions, and coming up with these changes that reduce congestion, they must conclude that more open play and space will reduce head knocks.

I don't think that's the case; they want to reduce congestion and have higher scoring games because more goals = more ads. I don't think trying to make changes to reduce congestion are necessarily driven by the same motives as things like head-high contact rules and duty of care stuff.

 

[Foxx]

I don't think that's the case; they want to reduce congestion and have higher scoring games because more goals = more ads. I don't think trying to make changes to reduce congestion are necessarily driven by the same motives as things like head-high contact rules and duty of care stuff.

Ok well we disagree there. I personally think concussion is the main reason. But irrespective of the reasons, changes keep being made that are reducing congestion.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I don't think that's the case; they want to reduce congestion and have higher scoring games because more goals = more ads.

I don't think that's the case. Or, at best, it's overly simplistic.

Foxtel pay 70% of the broadcast deal and they don't have (in-game) ads. I can't see why the AFL would be changing the nature of the game primarily on the needs of a provider who kicks in 30%.

I'm not saying it's completely untrue, but I do think a far bigger driver of the push for faster football is a conception of what is and is not entertaining. I.e. basketball, AFLX, 20/20 cricket etc

 

[King Patty]

I don't think that's the case. Or, at best, it's overly simplistic.

Foxtel pay 70% of the broadcast deal and they don't have (in-game) ads. I can't see why the AFL would be changing the nature of the game primarily on the needs of a provider who kicks in 30%.

I'm not saying it's completely untrue, but I do think a far bigger driver of the push for faster football is a conception of what is and is not entertaining. I.e. basketball, AFLX, 20/20 cricket etc

I think they think less congested may lead to less contact and then less injuries.


Or maybe they are trying to turn it into a non contact sport like netball

 

[Lore]

I don't think that's the case. Or, at best, it's overly simplistic.

Foxtel pay 70% of the broadcast deal and they don't have (in-game) ads. I can't see why the AFL would be changing the nature of the game primarily on the needs of a provider who kicks in 30%.

I'm not saying it's completely untrue, but I do think a far bigger driver of the push for faster football is a conception of what is and is not entertaining. I.e. basketball, AFLX, 20/20 cricket etc

I'd say these days it's more like more eyeballs = more subscriptions = better broadcast deal next time. In the past maybe more ads was better, when you had 6 channels to pick from.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Recruiters are aware the current game is biased towards speed and/or elite disposal on the outside after all the rule changes.

True however I still think teams need elite big body types, and then you surround them with speed. Every good team has them cos you still need them regardless and they sort that out first (and most already have) yet we've taken too long to do so.

 

[EnolaGay]

True however I still think teams need elite big body types, and then you surround them with speed. Every good team has them cos you still need them regardless and they sort that out first (and most already have) yet we've taken too long to do so.

A wise man once said, as a game goes on, players will get slower but big guys won't get smaller

 

[faible]

True however I still think teams need elite big body types, and then you surround them with speed. Every good team has them cos you still need them regardless and they sort that out first (and most already have) yet we've taken too long to do so.

Warner and Gulden (the modern transition midfielder people talk about) aren't big bodies but have Heeney (a solidly built 185cm) or physical guys like Rowbottom and Jordon alongside them. Neale is fairly solid himself despite not being tall, with Dunkley and 187cm McCluggage taking most CBAs with him. Geelong use Atkins @ 180cm but solid alongside Smith @ 185 and Holmes 190cm.

It's no surprise we struggle to match the best teams when the pressure comes on in games, we simply don't have the strength and size around the ball they do. Our 'bigger' built midfielder are 183cm Caldwell and 185cm Durham.

There's a world in which Robey, Farrow and Sharp all become midfielders and instead of lining up with Merrett (179), Caldwell (183) & Durham (185) we're lining up with Sharp (187), Farrow (188) and Robey (191).

 

[ant555]

And the AFL will continue to respond by introducing further rule changes that reduce concussions. Which will make the game less contest and more outside.

Not sure they can other than ban tackles. There will always be an inside game. There will always be contests. The current changes as far as contact to the head go is more about being able to stand up in court and say we did everything reasonable to prevent concussion. Cracking down on the bump and sling tackles to prevent concussion is hardly the AFL looking to speed the game up. If that was the case they would actually be looking to slow it down to reduce impact at speed.
Anyway it is not a discussion to continue on in this thread.

 

[Foxx]

Not sure they can other than ban tackles. There will always be an inside game. There will always be contests. The current changes as far as contact to the head go is more about being able to stand up in court and say we did everything reasonable to prevent concussion. Cracking down on the bump and sling tackles to prevent concussion is hardly the AFL looking to speed the game up. If that was the case they would actually be looking to slow it down to reduce impact at speed.
Anyway it is not a discussion to continue on in this thread.

Plenty they can still do. Lets all hope they dont feel they are required to go any further.

 

[astrowizzle]

Austag afl

 

[faible]

Plenty they can still do. Lets all hope they dont feel they are required to go any further.

Personally I'd rather players not have life-long head injuries and mental health issues due to my entertainment. The AFL is providing a workplace for the players, same as you or I go to work and expect a certain standard of safety.

 

[ant555]

MSN

 

[faible]

MSN

Kid is pretty impressive.

Sharp says it would be “a waste of potential” to play out his AFL career without a leadership role and considers himself indebted to the Bombers for denying Adelaide on draft night.

 

[Foxx]

Personally I'd rather players not have life-long head injuries and mental health issues due to my entertainment. The AFL is providing a workplace for the players, same as you or I go to work and expect a certain standard of safety.

100%

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Pick 13: AKA, No. 15 for the Dons.

 

[Vander18]

People keep saying the rule changes are changing the game but I do not agree. Yes the AFL wants a free flowing game and have changed a few things but at the end of the day coaches change the game.
Even with the rule changes you can still play slow and contested if you can defend.
The current game is evolving from the Richmond move the ball forward in numbers game.
Skill and players with good football IQ have always worked as has some outside speed.
The Mathew Knights game plan was not all that different.
In the end it comes down to balance. You can not simply go too outside but you can not be like we have been and be too slow with no ball movers.
The best sides have always had a balance of both.
The last touch rule will have minimal impact as well based on what has gone on in the SANFL

All that said....from what I can tell, he's no plodder. Looks like he has some burst away from stoppage and seemed to a run a decent time trial. What am I missing?

The thing I like is that he doesn't need to bulk up significantly - so can continue to develop his running ability without the complication of also need to add weight.