Player Watch #15: Jayden Short

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These days wingmen play much more a midfield type roll due to a much more contested game, unless you have that real running game like Hawthorn's Smith, or are super evasive/clever like our Edwards. Short is not a contesting player. But half backs can be average defensively if they have attacking qualities, like Houli. Short is only just starting his career as a defendere, so yes he isn't much of a defender, but he can improve on that, like Houli.
I agree he can improve, but imo he could also improve enough to play on the wing.
 

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I agree he can improve, but imo he could also improve enough to play on the wing.
Agreed, I always thought he was a potential wingman. One thing about Short, I reckon he is a determined and pretty intense sort of player, so will be out to improve. Either way, half back or wing he is a work in progress, like most young players.
 

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George serves a purpose along with Butler.Both not high possession players but make the opposition panic.
Of course the ideal player would do both, although that is not easy. Cyril Rioli was the king of pressure, but not a high possession player.... Perhaps Dan Rioli and Bolton could bridge that gap.
 
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George serves a purpose along with Butler.Both not high possession players but make the opposition panic.
Short and George are both tiny but George isn't soft.

Short, I reckon he is a determined and pretty intense sort of player
Really? Id say this describes George more
 
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Im in the anti-Short camp however two things that will help him are the new rules and Tom Lynch. Like the other guy was saying, many of Shorts kicks were to no one and the ball came back with interest. Lynch should help this as at least Short (and the rest of the backline) will have a get out of jailfree card to aim for instead of just Jack with 3 blokes on him.

The new rules too should be ideal for Short
 

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Im in the anti-Short camp however two things that will help him are the new rules and Tom Lynch. Like the other guy was saying, many of Shorts kicks were to no one and the ball came back with interest. Lynch should help this as at least Short (and the rest of the backline) will have a get out of jailfree card to aim for instead of just Jack with 3 blokes on him.

The new rules too should be ideal for Short
Yes...who dares with the new rules wins...
 

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I see Jayden Short as more of a player like Adelaide's Rory Laird and at the same age they are very very similar players and with similar output
Rory Laird is a 2x AA in 2017 & 2018 and is 2 years older . Not saying Short will be AA but he is tracking very similar to Lairds output

Think the coaches will develop his defensive game more and will only improve the next 2-3 years as he is only 23 in January
 

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Of course the ideal player would do both, although that is not easy. Cyril Rioli was the king of pressure, but not a high possession player.... Perhaps Dan Rioli and Bolton could bridge that gap.
Dan looks more of a natural mid/winger than even Cyril.Not sold on Bolton.Dont think he has the discipline of Dan or the others.
 

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I see Jayden Short as more of a player like Adelaide's Rory Laird and at the same age they are very very similar players and with similar output
Rory Laird is a 2x AA in 2017 & 2018 and is 2 years older . Not saying Short will be AA but he is tracking very similar to Lairds output

Think the coaches will develop his defensive game more and will only improve the next 2-3 years as he is only 23 in January
If shorty can ave 30+p's then he will have improved.
 

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Dan looks more of a natural mid/winger than even Cyril.Not sold on Bolton.Dont think he has the discipline of Dan or the others.
Dan and Cyril are pretty alike. Both don't take too many touches to hurt you. Both can play through the middle, although mostly they play forward and they both make backmen nervous. Perhaps Dan can play wing, but when you can do the damage they do, especially Cyril, up forward, why move them.
 

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Didn't Short have shoulder surgery at the end of 2017? That might have impacted his tackling confidence possibly? I think he had it strapped much of the season too. I didn't think he looked confident in that aspect of his game much of the season...
 

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Dan and Cyril are pretty alike. Both don't take too many touches to hurt you. Both can play through the middle, although mostly they play forward and they both make backmen nervous. Perhaps Dan can play wing, but when you can do the damage they do, especially Cyril, up forward, why move them.
I think Dan would be wasted up fwd.He's better than a Role player ala George & Butler.Wouldn't mind Dan & Sheds rotating between HF & Mid on a more regular basis.
 

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B&F votes are given based on performance compared to expectation. How else could Lambert have finished ahead of Cotchin the past two years and Dusty this year? He wasn't better.
Yes that’s how it works. It’s based on how well you play. Not sure it’s based on a formula eg ability v performance. Sounds a bit la la land to me.
 
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