Player Watch #15: Jayden Short

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Yes that’s how it works. It’s based on how well you play. Not sure it’s based on a formula eg ability v performance. Sounds a bit la la land to me.
Shaun Grigg finished ahead of Jack Riewoldt in the '17 (premiership) Jack Dyer medal... its almost a meaningless award.

No disrespect to Short but it has very little importance
 

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Shaun Grigg finished ahead of Jack Riewoldt in the '17 (premiership) Jack Dyer medal... its almost a meaningless award.

No disrespect to Short but it has very little importance
Really !!

In a premiership year your placings in the clubs B & F are one of the most sought after and respected awards in a AFL team
The JD medal is very very highly regarded by Players and Club
 

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Yes that’s how it works. It’s based on how well you play. Not sure it’s based on a formula eg ability v performance. Sounds a bit la la land to me.
So you think Lambert was our 2nd best player this year, even accounting for the games he missed? Better than everyone bar Riewoldt? And he was better than everyone bar Martin and Rance last year?

It is absolutely based on how well you perform your 'role', and Short's role carries less expectation than Rance's, or Grimes', or pretty much anyone in the 22. B&F results have also been known to be 'managed' for bonuses etc.
 

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If they are playing for the same spot a choice of Short of Houli doesn’t really affect the balance of rest of the defence.
Houli’s got him for smarts but if we keep trying to be the most efficient at possesions to scores then it’s Short.
If Short had a little more of the Grimesy stingy, hardnosed tough bastard, one on one skills he’s a starter every week but until he’s improved that stuff I reckon he’s the weakest link in the defence and the FD has been alright with the trade off for extra 10 mtr he can kick.
 

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Shaun Grigg finished ahead of Jack Riewoldt in the '17 (premiership) Jack Dyer medal... its almost a meaningless award.

No disrespect to Short but it has very little importance
Inside Footy rankings at the end of the '17 season had Grigg ranked 19th in the entire competition for the year. He had a cracker year and deserved his JD 5th placing
 

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Rubbish, Grigg didnt deserve to place ahead of Jack.

Inside Footy rankings are obviously very stupid.,
Oops my bad, he wasn't 19 he was 17.
You can argue all you like, but fact is they have a system that ranked his year (like the Tiges B&F did) as one of the best in the league

[Yes I know you will use Dusty as an example]

 

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Oops my bad, he wasn't 19 he was 17.
You can argue all you like, but fact is they have a system that ranked his year (like the Tiges B&F did) as one of the best in the league

[Yes I know you will use Dusty as an example]

Grigg played the majority of that year on ball. With his running ability he runs the lines, a bit like Lambert. He also has the ability to hold the ball in a tackle and get his hands free. Out on the wing he is nowhere near as efficient as he doesn't have the pace to keep up with quick opponents. Needs to be back in the centre square so we can have a good look at Naish, Markov, Menadue, Bolton etc on the wing. MacIntosh on the other wing is still pretty safe although I wouldn't mind seeing Broad putting some pressure on him in that position.
 

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Oops my bad, he wasn't 19 he was 17.
Grigg isnt in the best 17 players at Richmond let alone the league. I dont intend to type much as its obvious Jack > Grigg, regardless of what some shit website says. If you think otherwise then we will have to disagree.

Grigg played the majority of that year on ball. With his running ability he runs the lines, a bit like Lambert. He also has the ability to hold the ball in a tackle and get his hands free. Out on the wing he is nowhere near as efficient as he doesn't have the pace to keep up with quick opponents. Needs to be back in the centre square so we can have a good look at Naish, Markov, Menadue, Bolton etc on the wing. MacIntosh on the other wing is still pretty safe although I wouldn't mind seeing Broad putting some pressure on him in that position.
Grigg is too slow to play on the wing, too small to play in the ruck & too soft, not good enough to play inside. Graham, Higgins, Prestia, Cotchin, Martin types need to be back in the centre square not grigg
 

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Grigg isnt in the best 17 players at Richmond let alone the league. I dont intend to type much as its obvious Jack > Grigg, regardless of what some shit website says. If you think otherwise then we will have to disagree.



Grigg is too slow to play on the wing, too small to play in the ruck & too soft, not good enough to play inside. Graham, Higgins, Prestia, Cotchin, Martin types need to be back in the centre square not grigg
He is definitely getting pushed further back with the acquisition and emergence of Prestia and Higgins as an inside mid, and I agree he is no wingman. He is miles in front of Graham at the moment, besides the table was relating to 2017 not 2018. With Conca going there is a spot in the midfield opening up. If Grigg gets games it should be there.
Grigg is not physical, but not soft. Treloar is not physical but racks it up by gut running, much like Grigg. It was against Colliingwood (second game) from memory, when we were getting beaten badly in the centre, they threw Grigg in there and he had 13 odd possessions in the third quarter and turned the game. He gets to the right spots, gets 25+ possessions regularly and he links up, we do not have another centre square mid that does that.

And he is a premiership ruckman....
 
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He is definitely getting pushed further back with the acquisition and emergence of Prestia and Higgins as an inside mid, and I agree he is no wingman. He is miles in front of Graham at the moment, besides the table was relating to 2017 not 2018. With Conca going there is a spot in the midfield opening up. If Grigg gets games it should be there.
Grigg is not physical, but not soft. Treloar is not physical but racks it up by gut running, much like Grigg. It was against Colliingwood (second game) from memory, when we were getting beaten badly in the centre, they threw Grigg in there and he had 13 odd possessions in the third quarter and turned the game. He gets to the right spots, gets 25+ possessions regularly and he links up, we do not have another centre square mid that does that.
... Yep grigg is just like Treloar ... or the sun in mildura is taking its toll

And he is a premiership ruckman....
premiership liability

watch the preliminary final again
 

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Grigg isnt in the best 17 players at Richmond let alone the league. I dont intend to type much as its obvious Jack > Grigg, regardless of what some shit website says. If you think otherwise then we will have to disagree.



Grigg is too slow to play on the wing, too small to play in the ruck & too soft, not good enough to play inside. Graham, Higgins, Prestia, Cotchin, Martin types need to be back in the centre square not grigg
I get it, you dislike him. Good for you.
 

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I have doubts Short is better than Houli

what position does Vlastuin play?
Yep agree. Not only that out of 44 players on the list less than half the list in a good yr would play more than half the games giving them a better opportunity to place well in the B/F over the other players
Oops my bad, he wasn't 19 he was 17.
You can argue all you like, but fact is they have a system that ranked his year (like the Tiges B&F did) as one of the best in the league

[Yes I know you will use Dusty as an example]

Really dont care how others think of players. Imo Griggs best yr was 2016 not sure how others rated him that yr.

Griggys greatest assets have always been his run and his ability to spread from a contest.In most other areas he is pretty average.
Just my opinion he is best 22 simply because none of the ones coming thru have an output any where near him atm.

My personal opinion is he has gone into decline the last couple of seasons yet he is in front of others.
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Griggs 2017 was damn right amazing and he was in my AFL team of the year. Sadly his 2018 was back to the Grigg of all the other years as he was found out in the ruck which was his strength in 2017 and then beaten for speed all over the park.
He got the extra year rightfully so bc he’s a Richmond premiership player , which went missing for 37 years. However he will need to be phased out in 2019 as we need to move on in search of a 12th flag.
 
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So you think Lambert was our 2nd best player this year, even accounting for the games he missed? Better than everyone bar Riewoldt? And he was better than everyone bar Martin and Rance last year?

It is absolutely based on how well you perform your 'role', and Short's role carries less expectation than Rance's, or Grimes', or pretty much anyone in the 22. B&F results have also been known to be 'managed' for bonuses etc.
Short is nothing but a worthy Supercoach pick. That's how he gets his recognition. Metres gained are worth more than gold
 

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Griggs 2017 was damn right amazing and he was in my AFL team of the year. Sadly his 2018 was back to the Grigg of all the other years as he was found out in the ruck which was his strength in 2017 and then beaten for speed all over the park.
He got the extra year rightfully so bc he’s a Richmond premiership player , which went missing for 37 years. However he will need to be phased out in 2019 as we need to move on in search of a 12th flag.
Agree due mainly because he played as a centre mid not a wingman. Was pushed out to the wings by Conca, Prestia and Graham last season. Wanted him gone years ago when he was an ineffectual wingman, then thought he was vital playing as a linking gut running mid, now want him gone again if he is to be played out on the wings again.
 

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Short is nothing but a worthy Supercoach pick. That's how he gets his recognition. Metres gained are worth more than gold
Metres gained are valuable, especially in Richmonds helta skelta forward line when we preferred to have the ball on the ground half the time than in the air. Will be interesting to see how he plays with an extra quality marking target. Reminds me a bit of Stewie Maxfield with his long kicking to the hot spots. Richo loved the ball in his hands. Raines was the same with Cloke/Roach at CHF and Bartlett, Wiley and co. running past. Football hasn't changed that much, now that the chip possession phase has thankfully seen it's day.
 
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Griggs 2017 was damn right amazing and he was in my AFL team of the year. Sadly his 2018 was back to the Grigg of all the other years as he was found out in the ruck which was his strength in 2017 and then beaten for speed all over the park.
He got the extra year rightfully so bc he’s a Richmond premiership player , which went missing for 37 years. However he will need to be phased out in 2019 as we need to move on in search of a 12th flag.
Thinking about the exit of the old timers of Grigg & Houli. Both were great in 2017 but didn't reach the same levels of performance last year. Grigg's spot could be taken by a Balta/Moore. Slightly taller than Grigg but very mobile. Balta/Moore have virtually zero experience. TBH though I reckon Grigg is contributing more than Kamdyn, and would prefer to see him out of the team ahead of Grigg.
 

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Thinking about the exit of the old timers of Grigg & Houli. Both were great in 2017 but didn't reach the same levels of performance last year. Grigg's spot could be taken by a Balta/Moore. Slightly taller than Grigg but very mobile. Balta/Moore have virtually zero experience. TBH though I reckon Grigg is contributing more than Kamdyn, and would prefer to see him out of the team ahead of Grigg.
I think KMac and Grigg are completely different players and KMac needs to play off the HBL whereas Grigg is supposed to be a gut running mid with ruck duties to relieve Nankervis. Unless the RFC seriously go away with this notion and play two genuine rucks with genuine midfielders we will continue to be exploited in these two areas.
The club addressed our ruck deficiencies in 2017 draft and they’ve addressed the midfield issues in last years , so we may need to be patient. The beauty is Conca is finally gone so KDH will now be forced to look at other options and Miller Balta and CCJ will have another year in their bodies.
I can’t see Moore playing anywhere other than the forwardline and with Lynch he’s going to be an emergency at best.
I think RCD will be crucial in the future replacement of Grigg and KMac hangs around for Houli , if Bachar drops off the radar with fitness and age. Markov is in the wings waiting, but he’s got his own issues.
I’m also interested in to see whether Baker can take his game to another level .
 
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