Delisted 15. Jordan Schroder (2011-)

[David the Cat]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Apparently Wells didnt want to recruit talls for the sake of it. It appears he thinks the talls are either overrated or just not good enough and has confidence in Simpson, West, Mitch, Johnson along with Pods, Hawkins Mooney and (gulp) Blake etc to do the job for the next period.

Skipping Atley was the interesting decision for me, but Guthrie is a likely lad...seems Wells preferred him.

Time will tell.....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Apparently Wells didnt want to recruit talls for the sake of it. It appears he thinks the talls are either overrated or just not good enough and has confidence in Simpson, West, Mitch, Johnson along with Pods, Hawkins Mooney and (gulp) Blake etc to do the job for the next period.

Skipping Atley was the interesting decision for me, but Guthrie is a likely lad...seems Wells preferred him.

Time will tell.....

I'd say skipping Atley wasn't about Guthrie...who will be a good player btw, more likely, given how good a fit Atley is for our needs, Wells must just be in love with Smedts and felt he wouldn't get through to 23.

On the talls, I'd agree, the two talls we were linked to in the leadup were Watson and Cook and they were gone inside 20, and obviously he didn't rate the rest as being worth any of picks 23, 37 or 54. Time will tell whether that's the right call. If we can get a nice defender like a Chalwell or something as a rookie, and some of the other talls of this draft don't make it, Wells may well be vindicated as usual.

Faith in Blake, you make me ....Blake will be a GFL gun, and even that I......

 

[bulletproof]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Bit of Chapman about this guy, solid, goal kicking midfielder, won Calder Canons B + F.

Imagine that eh?

 

[David the Cat]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Bit of Chapman about this guy, solid, goal kicking midfielder, won Calder Canons B + F.

Imagine that eh?

Or even a bit of Chris Scott???

Seems there has been a focus on " tough" " hard at it " types if what I read is accurate...looks like the Scott influence may already be becoming evident...!!?

 

[krisholio14]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Who did he play for. Mentioned somewhere that his father played VFA at 15. Dare I say that was back in the day when VFA was one tough comp.
Mmm , a son of a former VFA player , hope he does go crazy with tatt's.

If my memory serves me correctly he played for Sunshine. Was one of the hardest men getting around in the days when the VFA was full of tough nuts.

 

[krisholio14]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

They are who?

And the midfield is a problem area hmm...I would have thought the fact that our next three retirements likely to be Ottens, Mooney and Scarlett, yet we'll get another 3-4 out of Bartel and Kelly, Selwood's got 7 or 8 and we have Menzel, Duncan, Hogan, Christensen and Taylor Hunt would say otherwise.

I'm not unhappy with the players we've drafted as they look talented, and this Schroder kid looks like the sort of player we like, but I reckon it's a pretty skewed view to say our midfield's a problem area and our talls stocks are fine.

How many talls do you need these days?

We've got Gillies, Drum, Brown and Vardy who are yet to get a real run at it, along with Daws and Westy, who also haven't really had a chance.

You only need 5 genuine talls in a side, and we've got Harry and Toma taking two of those spots hopefully for the next 7 or 8 years, so I don't sense a heap of urgency there really.

The first players to go will be Otto and Dash you would think, and Guthrie is the sort of player who could easily slot in and take Dash's role. With the new rules coming in, Vardy is the sort of player who can come in and fill the second ruck/resting forward position.

Billie Smedts is perfect to take over from Enright, Horlin-Smith has the class to command a possie in our midfield in due course, and Schroder is cut from the same cloth as Chappy - tough, ultra competitive player who can go forward and kick goals.

I think we've done really well this draft, and I expect that we will more than likely take some KP projects in the rookie draft.

 

[meto]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I don't know, so many 190cm and 190+ types, and we passed them up! it just worries me for the future with our lack of bigger bodies and height.
Our current talls are either old, only VFL standard or just plain crap! Except for Taylor and he's not a real tall anyway.

 

[krisholio14]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I don't know, so many 190cm and 190+ types, and we passed them up! it just worries me for the future with our lack of bigger bodies and height.
Our current talls are either old, only VFL standard or just plain crap! Except for Taylor and he's not a real tall anyway.

Clearly I rate our group of talls a lot higher than you.

And if the Q9 doesn't rate as a 'real' tall then who does?

 

[SJ]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I don't know, so many 190cm and 190+ types, and we passed them up! it just worries me for the future with our lack of bigger bodies and height.
Our current talls are either old, only VFL standard or just plain crap! Except for Taylor and he's not a real tall anyway.

Generally the 190cm-plus types bear far more risk too. Have a look over the last five drafts and see how many talls from the top 10 (never mind lower down the charts) have gone on to achieve nothing. Quite remarkable.

 

[meto]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Clearly I rate our group of talls a lot higher than you.

And if the Q9 doesn't rate as a 'real' tall then who does?

I said, Quality! and he's about it!

How we could pass up a jackovich type like Watson who's proven himself and had the better of the best young CHF's in the country is beyond me.
And all for a handful of mids????
We usually give a couple away every year, Prismel, Moles, etc etc.

I think Wells needs a pension.

 

[rizzo]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Not sure on this pick, happy to see how he goes. He has a big body and will be ready to roll if needed. Just need to see more of him.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I said, Quality! and he's about it!

How we could pass up a jackovich type like Watson who's proven himself and had the better of the best young CHF's in the country is beyond me.
And all for a handful of mids????
We usually give a couple away every year, Prismel, Moles, etc etc.

I think Wells needs a pension.

Plenty of other clubs also passed on Watson (and McCarthy for that matter). To be comparing him to Jackovich is laughable. Watson has had a few bags kicked on him over the year. His lack of agility may get him found out at AFL level.

 

[Lager]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Is it not conceivable that Well's see's better tall talent coming through in next years crop and is willing to wait for that? Perhaps the midfield crop next year is weaker?

Either way, I tend to have a fair bit of faith in a guy who has a proven track record with these things - and does the job full time.

 

[Smarty_]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Generally the 190cm-plus types bear far more risk too. Have a look over the last five drafts and see how many talls from the top 10 (never mind lower down the charts) have gone on to achieve nothing. Quite remarkable.

Yeah, good call. A lot of kp players that get drafted in the national draft don't come on. It can be risky picking up big guys in the national. Big kpp (that Carlton picked up) Watson and Mccarthy, are far from guaranteed to be gun players imo.

The big guys usually take a little while longer to develop, due to being skinny, underdeveloped etc. I reckon Wells will have an eye on a couple of kp project players in the rookie draft. This way, he's not wasting a valuable national draft selection on them if they don't work out. It's only a rookie pick.

How many gun kpp, especially ruckman, have come from the rookie list in the AFL? Two that spring to mind are Cox and Sandilands. Two of the best rucks in the history of the game were deemed unworthy of being picked in the national and pre-season drafts.

It seems a lot of kpp don't come on until early/mid 20's, and I know there will be some of these guys who didn't get drafted in the nd, but will get drafted in the rookie and become really, really good players.

I don't think we should be too worried, Wells will get us a couple of gems. If not, there's always next years draft and we'll be rebuilding for the next few years anyway. In Wells, we trust.

 

[Cat for Life]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Throw mumford in there as well, 3 of the best rucks...

 

[Cat for Life]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I think Wells needs a pension.

Overreaction much?

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Is it not conceivable that Well's see's better tall talent coming through in next years crop and is willing to wait for that? Perhaps the midfield crop next year is weaker?

Either way, I tend to have a fair bit of faith in a guy who has a proven track record with these things - and does the job full time.

Yes, I wonder how many of us would appreciate someone coming in for a few days or weeks a year and telling us how to do our jobs, and not only that but getting outraged in the process based on their "expert" opinions.

This was a compromised draft as we know and Geelong went for the best talent they could find at each pick, how can you argue with that logic?
I for one am happy to wait 2-3 years to see how we really went

 

[AM]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54 - Jordan Schroder

Wells commented that Chris took a keen interest in this years draft. Schroder appears to me to be his sort of player. Looks a really tough dude.

 

[Selective Retention]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

And the midfield is a problem area hmm...I would have thought the fact that our next three retirements likely to be Ottens, Mooney and Scarlett, yet we'll get another 3-4 out of Bartel and Kelly, Selwood's got 7 or 8 and we have Menzel, Duncan, Hogan, Christensen and Taylor Hunt would say otherwise.

What we have done over the last 4 years plus Collingwood this year has shown that you need a deep group, 8 to 10 above average players, to rotate through the midfield to be a consistent force.

I'll give you Selwood, Bartel and Kelly for the medium term. Beyond those 3 the rest are unproven. The kids that we have picked up this year and last will hopefully step up and weather the loss of Ablett and the approaching loss of Ling, Corey, Chapman, Enright (the last two as midfield options anyway, they should have a few more left in them as flankers).

You can't expect all those listed to make it either. Hogan for one may well be under serious pressure for his spot on the list next year.

 

[thejester]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I said, Quality! and he's about it!

How we could pass up a jackovich type like Watson who's proven himself and had the better of the best young CHF's in the country is beyond me.
And all for a handful of mids????
We usually give a couple away every year, Prismel, Moles, etc etc.

I think Wells needs a pension.

Out of interest, were you sitting down in 2001 going 'we passed on these tall types for MIDFIELDERS? Bartel is some bogan from Bell Park and this Johnson kid runs like he's got a carrot up his arse!'

 

[Claude Balls]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

I said, Quality! and he's about it!

How we could pass up a jackovich type like Watson who's proven himself and had the better of the best young CHF's in the country is beyond me.
And all for a handful of mids????
We usually give a couple away every year, Prismel, Moles, etc etc.

I think Wells needs a pension.

You'd be right at home in the 'rate your club's performance' on the drafts board, seeing as you have a crystal ball and all.

 

[Smarty_]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Throw mumford in there as well, 3 of the best rucks...

Ahh, yes of course! He's gonna kill us the next few years. I'd give anything to have him back with us...he would have won Sydney's B&F if he didnt miss 2 games with suspension

 

[Just do something]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Out of interest, were you sitting down in 2001 going 'we passed on these tall types for MIDFIELDERS? Bartel is some bogan from Bell Park and this Johnson kid runs like he's got a carrot up his arse!'

ha ha thats a classic

 

[Cat for Life]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

Out of interest, were you sitting down in 2001 going 'we passed on these tall types for MIDFIELDERS? Bartel is some bogan from Bell Park and this Johnson kid runs like he's got a carrot up his arse!'

Nah, he would have been saying how awesome it was that we drafted Charlie Gardiner, Henry Playfair and Matt McCarthy that year. All were guaranteed to be guns. Also couldn't believe we let such a classy key possition player like Barry Brooks slip though at pick 8.

 

[meto]

Re: 2010 National Draft selection no. 54-Jordan Schroder

'Ok people', I hope I'm wrong! but I've got a sinking feeling that I'm right.

Whatever happened to Jack Darling???