Player Watch #15 Kieren Jack

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Kirkswan it's the difference between total and average

Also I agree with you that no one said he had to be a game changer. He just has to play a role. Certainly whoever could possibly be replacing him is not going to be a game changer either. Certainly his kicking is probably as bad as it's been in his career but it's easy to overlook all the other facets of his game that are currently still an asset to to the side. He is not going as bad as some of his most ardent critics are making out in this thread.
 

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Kirkswan it's the difference between total and average

Also I agree with you that no one said he had to be a game changer. He just has to play a role. Certainly whoever could possibly be replacing him is not going to be a game changer either. Certainly his kicking is probably as bad as it's been in his career but it's easy to overlook all the other facets of his game that are currently still an asset to to the side. He is not going as bad as some of his most ardent critics are making out in this thread.
Yep. People on here have a tendency to assess a player in terms of their performance relative to their peak, rather than their current output relative to the competition (or replacement player)

So a player who was once very good, but is now serviceable (Jack) is considered worse than a player who was once bad, but now serviceable (Towers).

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Both of these can simultaneously be true:

1) Kieren Jack is not playing very well
2) Kieren Jack should stay in the team

I've seen nothing to suggest that anyone in the reserves would come in and contribute more than him. The likes of Fox, Foote, Robinson are not better players than Kieren Jack. The other argument is that maybe if we play mediocre inexperienced players, they will gain valuable experience and become not-mediocre sometime in the future. I have always been strongly against that argument, which is why I am always against playeres being returned to the senior side without having gained something at least resembling form.

Play them in the reserves until one of them proves they are better than Kieren Jack right now, at this very moment. And at that moment, promote them. If they can't get to that level, they don't deserve a game.
 

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Yep. People on here have a tendency to assess a player in terms of their performance relative to their peak, rather than their current output relative to the competition (or replacement player)

So a player who was once very good, but is now serviceable (Jack) is considered worse than a player who was once bad, but now serviceable (Towers).

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He clearly isn't playing at the level that he has in the past, but there's no denying that with the added experience of Jack and McVeigh the team looked better than it has without them. I'm not sure his inclusion made the difference, but he certainly wasn't the worst for us.
 

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I agree, but again, I think it was SF51 that stated that there’s nobody in the two’s that could possibly do a better job and that was clearly evident yesterday.

Maybe, I would of just chucked towers in and given jack at least a week to prove himself,
 

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9 disposals so more than Rohan, and is better defensively. Keep him in for sure
I honestly agree with this. I was one a few weeks ago who was keen to see a younger guy come in for Jack, but I'm prepared to leave him in now because of how strong a tackler he is and his experience. We've got such a young side in atm, we need someone in there to help the younger guys do the dirty work.

He's playing a bit of midfield still which I get but personally I'd love to see him play as a defensive forward exclusively. So next week he can play on and try to limit, say, Christian Salem (Demons don't have a stand out rebounding defender as I see it), then the week after he can go to Lachie Whitfield and try to clamp him down (something which Hewett did expertly earlier this year and helped us win), then he could go to some Hawthorn c*** I can't think of but hopefully beat them too because **** Hawthorn.
 
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